Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Looks like F-16s up, possibly running SEAD training, over Poland - NICKL11 on ADS-B. Kind of odd - makes me wonder if they are training Ukrainian pilots on the F-16 (though they don't appear to be tandem cockpit variant).
 
norm said:
It'd be akin to China declaring war on the UK and us trying to fend off an attack from them, assuming nuclear weapons weren't involved, we'd fail miserably, but you're suggesting everyone fights to the death and watches the country turn to oblivion in the name of honour and valour? That wouldn't be very smart and the government at the time would likely concede defeat in the interest of the safety of the citizens.
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Not really, for starters China does not have a Blue water navy, trying to invade an island a massive distance from home is a totally different prospect.
 
Rroff said:
Looks like F-16s up, possibly running SEAD training, over Poland - NICKL11 on ADS-B. Kind of odd - makes me wonder if they are training Ukrainian pilots on the F-16 (though they don't appear to be tandem cockpit variant).
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Saw that, maybe providing some arial defence for something happening at Rzeszow? Convoy of arms perhaps
 
Firestar_3x said:
Not really, for starters China does not have a Blue water navy, trying to invade an island a massive distance from home is a totally different prospect.
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I'm not suggesting it would actually take place in the real world, but in a hypothetical scenario assuming their forces were positioned near the UK like Russia is around Ukraine, we would lose.
 
Mr Jack said:
Not without weakening their defences and pulling the army away from their various enforcement roles. To throw significantly more forces they have to go full mobilisation and conscription.
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so they are not going full on, whilst Ukraine basically are throwing all viable men at it.

What kind of numbers are we talking if Russia decided to go all in?
 
norm said:
I'm not suggesting it would actually take place in the real world, but in a hypothetical scenario assuming their forces were positioned near the UK like Russia is around Ukraine, we would lose.
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TBH if we lived in a situation where China could build up on our borders like Russia has done to Ukraine our military would be far more beefed up than it is now.

Craterloads said:
so they are not going full on, whilst Ukraine basically are throwing all viable men at it.

What kind of numbers are we talking if Russia decided to go all in?
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Ukraine isn't throwing all available men at it though at a significantly heightened level of mobilisation - there are way more trying to sign up than they can use currently - only around 30% of their existing territorial forces are deployed to combat roles as well. As things stand it makes things a lot easier if they can minimise the number of inexperienced troops involved in combat, etc.

If Russia went full in, without significant mobilisation, they'd probably top out around 500-700K combat troops including air force, etc. not including support personnel. But if they went full mobilisation, mass conscription, etc. they can scale up well above that - probably around 20million or so though they'd struggle to support an army above 1-2 million fighting men in any real capacity without a few years of ramping up.

As it is with this invasion what were essentially conscripts being sent into combat in the early days were provided with a rubbish old AK47/74, 3 magazines of ammo, 72 hours of rations and that was basically it - things didn't improve much for them.

EDIT: I think people vastly underestimate Russia in this respect - albeit they don't have the same manpower and resources as the USSR, etc. but in WW2 they went from almost nothing with their army on the back foot to raising an additional 2.5 million men and equipment in around 5 months with a lot of that happening in just over a month. Albeit helped by allied supplies somewhat. But even today they can scale up to supporting a 70s era fighting force in large numbers quite quickly despite all the talk of sanctions and their woeful economy, and that will still be a significant force for Ukraine to deal with without more modern tanks and combat aircraft in numbers.
 
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Malevolence said:
Yes, and? Do you even know where China is in relation to the UK on the planet? Their ships wouldn't even make it into the Atlantic, let alone get within striking distance of the UK. And then there's the little issue of article 5.
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that depends if african states become puppet states and logicistics centres. Possibly in return for their resources..
 
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NickK said:
that depends if african states become puppet states and logicistics centres. Possibly in return for their resources..
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Even so it would be hard for China to put together a force like that without it being seen coming a long way off in time and distance - however for norm's purposes it doesn't have to be a realistic scenario - but it still doesn't really work as it isn't like we wouldn't react if we were in a different situation - if China did exist on our doorstep we'd have a significantly more robust military than we do now.
 
Firestar_3x said:
Good job we live in the real world then.
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Malevolence said:
Yes, and? Do you even know where China is in relation to the UK on the planet? Their ships wouldn't even make it into the Atlantic, let alone get within striking distance of the UK. And then there's the little issue of article 5.
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Again stop being so literal. I was merely stating China as an example for a what-if scenario.

For those pedants out there, if we were faced with far superior military power than our own would we fight to the bitter end or not.
 
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