Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Two more Russian generals dead another in critical condition - link

Details: The Intelligence Directorate says that on 22 April, the Armed Forces of Ukraine launched an attack on the forward command post of the 49th Combined Arms Army of the Russian occupying forces, which, contrary to combat regulations and common sense, was deployed a short distance from the line of battle in Kherson Region.


Quote: "The result of the attack was that the 49th Army’s forward command post was destroyed, two Russian generals were killed, and one was seriously wounded and was evacuated in a critical condition.[\quote]
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*UK MoD - 'Latest Defence Intelligence update on the situation in Ukraine - 24 April 2022'
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https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1518104051233300480

*Ukraine Says Russia Deploys Iskander-M Launchers Near Border — Reuters
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https://twitter.com/KyivIndependent/status/1518122952222457856
*Russia’s Gazprom: Continues Gas Shipments via Ukraine, Sunday Volume at 51.7 mln Cubic Metres — RIA News Agency
 
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I think Putin as lost control of his troops.

I forget the name of the place, but he was on video ordering his troops not to go in, to encircle. Yet the troops went in.
 
BowdonUK said:
I think Putin as lost control of his troops.

I forget the name of the place, but he was on video ordering his troops not to go in, to encircle. Yet the troops went in.
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You’re thinking of the Azovstal steel plant in Mariupol. I doubt that this is the Russian Army defying orders, and more a deliberate ploy to get the Ukrainian defenders of the plant let their guard down if they believed an assault was no longer imminent.

It’s not as if Russia doesn’t have for saying one thing, and doing another.
 
Rroff said:
Tanks are not obsolete - the problem is poor utilisation of them and poor understanding/appreciation of what drones can bring to the battlefield and lack of preparedness to counter them.

Russia is often still using unsupported armour charges with their basic infantry bringing up the rear - one reason their soldier losses are so high as when an armoured vehicle goes boom good and proper it is often taking most of the crew and any passengers in the case of IFVs/carriers with it.

EDIT: Doesn't help either a lot of Russian tanks appear to be of sub-standard build quality and/or missing equipment.
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Who said anything about drones? Although drones 18 thousand feet in the air destroying them is a thing.

Most tanks are taken out up close with NLAWS and Javelinns, how do you counter that?

You don't so the point still stands, this war is proof that tanks are pretty much obsolete and all the words forces now know what they need to counter tanks.

it's a pretty hard fact and hard to deny.
 
bris said:
Who said anything about drones? Although drones 18 thousand feet in the air destroying them is a thing.

Most tanks are taken out up close with NLAWS and Javelinns, how do you counter that?
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Hard kill Active protection systems, like Trophy etc these are being/have been fitted to most modern western armour. Not only that though, you can mitigate the threat using proper combined arms tactics, air cover, using multiple sensors soaking areas prior to advance. Not channeling yourself into obvious routes vulnerable points that make these kind of attacks possible.

Dont take this conflict as the be all and end all of tanks in modern conflict. You have to realise Russian tactics havnt really developed much at all for decades. Its not the fault of the tanks its how Russia are using them that is the problem here.
 
bris said:
Most tanks are taken out up close with NLAWS and Javelinns, how do you counter that?
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ARE most tanks taken out, or is it just these older Russian models? How does an Abrams do, for example? This is the first time we've really seen address usage of these weapons but NATO tank designers have known about them and been designing counter measures for some time. How effective are these counter measures?
 
bris said:
Most tanks are taken out up close with NLAWS and Javelinns, how do you counter that?
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Combined arms tactics, active protection systems and using them to support infantry in a more stand off role.

If firing an AT weapon immediately gets you mortared or hit by close air support you're not going to be around long.

The Russians rushed tanks largest unsupported into urban environments and it was a turkey shoot. NATO doctrine is very different.

They clearly are more vulnerable now than in previous conflicts but as a rapidly mobile artillery to support infantry movement they still appear pretty useful.
 
Mr Jack said:
ARE most tanks taken out, or is it just these older Russian models? How does an Abrams do, for example? This is the first time we've really seen address usage of these weapons but NATO tank designers have known about them and been designing counter measures for some time. How effective are these counter measures?
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The T-90 was apparently classed as one of the best most advanced tanks in the world but have apparntly been destroyed in high numbers. The Armata another classed as a world beating tank is not in Ukrain apparently because they dont have very many of them and dont want to lose them.

Ukrain have captured 2 T-90's

I now assume the information that the captured T-90's secrets will reveal to the CIA and other western integence agencies will it'self be priceless.
 
bris said:
The T-90 was apparently classed as one of the best most advanced tanks in the world but have apparntly been destroyed in high numbers. The Armata another classed as a world beating tank is not in Ukrain apparently because they dont have very many of them and dont want to lose them.

Ukrain have captured 2 T-90's

I now assume the information that the captured T-90's secrets will reveal to the CIA and other western integence agencies will it'self be priceless.
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The T-90 is just an upgraded T72
 
Also if china provide putin arms, those captured will be sold to the US for intel ready for any conflict in future but the style of weaponry would be different for taiwan though.
 
bris said:
The T-90 was apparently classed as one of the best most advanced tanks in the world but have apparntly been destroyed in high numbers. The Armata another classed as a world beating tank is not in Ukrain apparently because they dont have very many of them and dont want to lose them.

Ukrain have captured 2 T-90's

I now assume the information that the captured T-90's secrets will reveal to the CIA and other western integence agencies will it'self be priceless.
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The export t-90 with all the upgrades is considered world class, the ones the Russians are using are "domestic" class without, for example, active protection
 
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