Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Mr Jack said:
No Abrams or other current NATO tanks involved, so what do you expect me to take from it?
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I expect you to remember that you asked two questions when you see a list of destroyed/captured tanks and take from it that no, it's not "old" tanks being lost. It's every tank the Russians have in rough proportion to the number of them they have.

Only thing missing is the T14 and there's suspicion they can't even build them in any significant number. I guess that can mean the T14 is represented in proportion to the number that exist also.
 
Hotwired said:
I expect you to remember that you asked two questions when you see a list of destroyed/captured tanks and take from it that no, it's not "old" tanks being lost. It's every tank the Russians have in rough proportion to the number of them they have.
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Well, perhaps I was unclear. The point is that it's only the narrow set of tanks that the Russians have thrown forward. It's not "all tanks". In particularly, it's not the tanks that are being built by people who were familiar with these weapons when they built them.
 
bris said:
Who said anything about drones? Although drones 18 thousand feet in the air destroying them is a thing.

Most tanks are taken out up close with NLAWS and Javelinns, how do you counter that?

You don't so the point still stands, this war is proof that tanks are pretty much obsolete and all the words forces now know what they need to counter tanks.

it's a pretty hard fact and hard to deny.
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Drones have had a significant impact on the intel picture significantly aiding ambushes of tanks and/or bringing accurate artillery fire on their positions.

Aside from the use of active protection systems, tactics and the use of combined arms, including air support, is how you counter tank losses to light anti-tank weapons and also how you protect aircraft from the likes of Stingers.

There are several videos even of Ukraine tank(s) with limited or no support surviving despite the Russian forces having equivalent light anti-tank weapons because they used the tank(s) from a good position - forcing attackers to come to them rather than being exposed in the open.

One of the reasons Russian tank losses have been high is the number of times they've put themselves in the classic bottlenecked position without infantry support where the attackers can destroy the lead and rear vehicle(s) then work on the rest at their leisure - something most other armies quickly learnt not to do in WW2.
 
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Must be maddening having to see half your battalion get wiped out whilst Kadyrov's men just go around taking selfies, acting like they're above the rest of them or being Putin's enforcers for when morale totally collapses.

I think the risk of a sudden partisan movement in the Russian military could be increasingly likely if the situation doesn't start majorly improving for them.
 
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So €273 million sent by 10 member states over 7 years, of which 70% (€191m) was France and Germany, and €152m was from France - according to figures from this article. Most of which is dual use, so not really clear where it went. Meanwhile Russia is spending over $60bn a year on defence. Not sure these weapons are making much difference.
 
The subtext behind the "where are all the xx super tanks/planes/ships" etc is the theory that Russia is somehow holding back the good stuff for later on. This guy has done some excellent videos and analysis and while a little longer than the average you tube soundbite is excellent
 
Mr Jack said:
So €273 million sent by 10 member states over 7 years, of which 70% (€191m) was France and Germany, and €152m was from France - according to figures from this article. Most of which is dual use, so not really clear where it went. Meanwhile Russia is spending over $60bn a year on defence. Not sure these weapons are making much difference.
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It's not so much the amount but the ignorance to the sanctions
 
It's gonna be turkey yoinking half of cyprus all over again.

No one will care enough to make them give back what they take.

Will just be held against them every time they want to join in with anything nice.
 
Rroff said:
One of the reasons Russian tank losses have been high is the number of times they've put themselves in the classic bottlenecked position without infantry support where the attackers can destroy the lead and rear vehicle(s) then work on the rest at their leisure - something most other armies quickly learnt not to do in WW2.
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No the reason is they are the attackers and have to advance. Defenders always have the advantage, to take the towns and cities they have to first get there they have no choice but to be in that position.

The experts say that to attack you need a 3 to 1 advantage over the defenders, some say it can be 5 to 1, they are advancing under fire and will take heavy losses.

They failed to get a real victory in the skies, not getting air superiorty has also cost them dearly as the air power would normaly keep them under cover, this hasnt really happened here.
 
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