Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Rroff said:
Sadly not surprising and in the longer run it is going to sow division in Europe and undermine the efforts to weaken Russia's ability to wage this war or others... but it is something which needs to be tackled at a larger level, even if Germany is somewhat responsible for its choices here, if we are to prevail in this situation.

EDIT: I stand by a comment I made awhile ago - I think Germany is going to come down on the wrong side of this situation in the longer run.
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In the short term I think everyone would have liked to have seen them call Russia's bluff. But that's from our fairly energy secure pov. Russia cut them off and they can take a huge hit to their economy which helps no-one.

I think longer term this has shown governments about the precarious nature of relying on energy from dodgy countries and should herald a change for the better weakening the ability of governments in said dodgy countries to stay in power.
 
Grim5 said:
What your do is find a section of ridge between two tectonic plates where there is a build up of energy and then hope your bomb creates enough movement in the plates to trigger a slip which would then create the tsunami but what creates the tsunami is the slip and earthquake from the tectonic plates the explosion itself does not create a tsunami.
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According to a video I saw awhile back based around the Mariana Trench IIRC the chances of it happening are incredibly small - you could detonate every existing nuclear weapon without it happening.

EDIT: Can't find the one I was thinking of from a quick search but this covers a bit of it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tbxDgcv74c
 
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More and more talks about nukes. How realistic is this now that Russia will go bat**** and send something our way? I imagine it's still very very low and Russian media getting all fluffed up.
 
Hook said:
A insane amount of nuclear bomb to move that amount of mountainrocks into the ocean just to wash London. We're talking proper Russian media talk now :)
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Well, no.

Ancient Scottish tsunami could destroy entire towns if it happened today, new study finds

A new study led by researchers at the Universities of Sheffield, St Andrews and York has revealed that the Storegga tsunami that hit Scotland’s coastline 8,200 years ago, could devastate entire towns if it happened today.
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Ocean warming and gas hydrate stability on the mid-Norwegian margin at the Storegga Slide

The sensitivity of oceanic gas hydrates and submarine slope stability to the combined forcing of sea level changes and bottom water perturbation is a …
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It might not need that much to trigger the release of large volumes of seditments there if the gas hydrate is disturbed.
 
I don't see why the Tsunami thing isn't possible, but it wouldn't be directly caused by the blast, but instead by whatever was chosen to be collapsed or displaced by the blast.

E.G using the blast to trigger a landslide, or collapsing a trench, this would displace way more water than a nuclear blast, which is what you need to to cause a Tsunami. You would need to find a geographic feature on the seabed in the right place, but the ocean floors are pretty well mapped so I don't see it being impossible.

Pretty pointless though unless you want to start WW3
 
So, nuke norway with a gigantic bomb to cause a tsunami to drown a bit of scotland.

I dunno, I still put the entire thing down to drunk state media talking to drunk russians.
 
Lysander said:
More and more talks about nukes. How realistic is this now that Russia will go bat**** and send something our way? I imagine it's still very very low and Russian media getting all fluffed up.
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I'd still say incredibly unlikely - as before the Russian government and military in many respects are more like a cartel or mafia and intimidation is what they know best (hence nuclear threats) and they like having their wealth and power as well so they aren't exactly in a hurry to end it all in a nuclear exchange. But I would also say if people think Putin would stop short of it and/or even if he gave such an order it would never be carried out they are probably deluding themselves.
 
BowdonUK said:
Fury in Brussels: Germany caves in to Russia’s rouble demands
https://www.cityam.com/germany-caves-in-to-russias-rouble-demands/
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Why single out Germany when loads of European countries are using the same approach?

Payment is made in Euros, at prices set in Euros, gets converted into roubles by the Russian bank. Literally the only difference between this, and what was happening before is that instead of the conversion from Euros->Roubles being carried out directly by Gazprom it gets carried out by Gazprombank in an account linked to Germany (well, German gas companies) and then sent to Gazprom. Why is that a problem?
 
BongoHunter said:
I don't see why the Tsunami thing isn't possible, but it wouldn't be directly caused by the blast, but instead by whatever was chosen to be collapsed or displaced by the blast.

E.G using the blast to trigger a landslide, or collapsing a trench, this would displace way more water than a nuclear blast, which is what you need to to cause a Tsunami. You would need to find a geographic feature on the seabed in the right place, but the ocean floors are pretty well mapped so I don't see it being impossible.

Pretty pointless though unless you want to start WW3
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Only benefit I can see of it is that it would for a period of time be potentially unclear what had happened (and certainly deniable). Initially it would appear to be just a small earthquake causing an underwater slip.

It wouldn't just be Scotland, the entire east coast of the UK would be vulnerable depending on the way the specific slip went.
 
Or they could just blow up that WW2 amunition ship that sank in the Thames estuary - I'm sure I read that if that goes off London would have a really bad day out
 
Jokester said:
Only benefit I can see of it is that it would for a period of time be potentially unclear what had happened (and certainly deniable). Initially it would appear to be just a small earthquake causing an underwater slip.

It wouldn't just be Scotland, the entire east coast of the UK would be vulnerable depending on the way the specific slip went.
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I guess there would be little to no fallout as well, and water is a great moderator of nuclear rays. So water does the damage, and over a larger area than a single nuclear device could achieve, without the consequences that could come from irradiating a city.
 
Russian state media will occasionally go off on some bizarre performative narrative to promote the 'Russia stronk!' line they have going for their audience, but there's basically zero chance of it actually occurring. Tsunamis is definitely a bit madder than usual though. Bravo for them coming up with something original.
 
BongoHunter said:
Or they could just blow up that WW2 amunition ship that sank in the Thames estuary - I'm sure I read that if that goes off London would have a really bad day out
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On the Montgomery itself:

suggest that spontaneous detonation of the entire cargo would hurl a column of debris up to 1.8 miles (three kilometres) into the air, send a tsunami barrelling up the Thames and cause a shock wave that would damage buildings for miles around, including the liquid gas containers on the nearby Isle of Grain.

It’s a scenario that keeps many, including local historian Colin Harvey, awake at night. “The remit area for the explosion would be from Margate to the centre of London,” he says. “It would level Sheerness, and a 30 or 40ft wave would breach sea defences. Sheppey’s got a population of 25,000 people. Where would they go?”

But not everyone shares this apocalyptic view.
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The bombs that lurk off the UK coast

The WWII-era SS Richard Montgomery sits just over a mile from shore – and locals fear that its 1,400 tonnes of potent explosives could go off at any time. Jon Excell investigates.
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Linked to that: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_Kielce - much smaller amount of explosives.
 
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Hotwired said:
So, nuke norway with a gigantic bomb to cause a tsunami to drown a bit of scotland.

I dunno, I still put the entire thing down to drunk state media talking to drunk russians.
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Might just as well summon Aliens to zap London from orbit

They really are disappearing down the rabbit hole. It does show the state of russian paranoia about the West though.
 
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