Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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HungryHippos said:
Dailyfail coming up with the clickbait headlines again.

We aren't going to war with Russia over action in Albania with a handful of troops.

I suspect that countries will use it as a catalyst to close borders to Russia more expediently though, no reason to allow Russians to freely travel whilst their country prosecutes an unjust war.

Only thing I could see actually triggering article 5 near term would be shenanigans at the power plant.
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This and I’m not even convinced we will over the power plant. We’ll send more equipment and heat up the proxy war, but neither NATO nor Russia want a direct confrontation.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
It’s a great strategy. Sit back, be patient, use your more advanced tech to surgically remove key military installations and units. Note here the majority of losses are military and not civilian, unlike Russias archaic and ineffective approach. Meanwhile the Ukrainians get more training and equipment, giving them an even wider range of options.
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I think you're right. A massive counter offensive, if possible, would run the risk of Russian mobilisation or worse. A slow, surgical destruction of their command, logistics and route of escape is brutal. Drones randomly fragging you squad must be pretty horrifying too.
 
Minstadave said:
I think you're right. A massive counter offensive, if possible, would run the risk of Russian mobilisation or worse. A slow, surgical destruction of their command, logistics and route of escape is brutal. Drones randomly fragging you squad must be pretty horrifying too.
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Exactly, Russia can replace men and a counter offensive early on is a huge risk. What Russia will struggle to replace is their equipment due to sanctions and the morale of their soldiers. Keep this up long enough and eventually they may just leave some areas, or they’ll just be easy pickings by the time a personnel offensive is required.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Exactly, Russia can replace men and a counter offensive early on is a huge risk. What Russia will struggle to replace is their equipment due to sanctions and the morale of their soldiers. Keep this up long enough and eventually they may just leave some areas, or they’ll just be easy pickings by the time a personnel offensive is required.
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They already have. Their attempts in the West of the country have already been completely repelled. Their attempts to claim Odessa failed.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
Exactly, Russia can replace men and a counter offensive early on is a huge risk. What Russia will struggle to replace is their equipment due to sanctions and the morale of their soldiers. Keep this up long enough and eventually they may just leave some areas, or they’ll just be easy pickings by the time a personnel offensive is required.
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Their equipment is already on its last legs and their current crop of soldiers undertrained and lacking basic supplies

Decades of senior Russian leaders embezzling defence budgets to buy boats and hookers has come home to roost

They may have Nukes and early stage hypersonics, but their ground equipment is shoddy

Was reading a story by a Russian solider who joined before the Ukraine war. Ended up having to buy his own uniform. It was then stolen by the people managing the kit depot and sold to someone else :cry:
 
HungryHippos said:
Dailyfail coming up with the clickbait headlines again.

We aren't going to war with Russia over action in Albania with a handful of troops.

I suspect that countries will use it as a catalyst to close borders to Russia more expediently though, no reason to allow Russians to freely travel whilst their country prosecutes an unjust war.

Only thing I could see actually triggering article 5 near term would be shenanigans at the power plant.
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The higher ups in the military are required to say stuff like this so parliament gives them more money in their budgets
 
Not sure how accurate it is, but ISW is reporting that the Russians are taking some equipment and troops off the front line and pulling them back to crimea to try and offer better defence to the peninsula
 
Grim5 said:
Not sure how accurate it is, but ISW is reporting that the Russians are taking some equipment and troops off the front line and pulling them back to crimea to try and offer better defence to the peninsula
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That’s it, concentrate them all in one spot. Better to take them to Moscow, it’s the only place to they’ll be vaguely safe.
 
Grim5 said:
Not sure how accurate it is, but ISW is reporting that the Russians are taking some equipment and troops off the front line and pulling them back to crimea to try and offer better defence to the peninsula
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One thing is for sure, even though there is a large front, hitting targets behind the lines such as Crimea makes Russia look ineffective.

Keep the enemy guessing where the next attack will come from, forces Russia to not only fight on the frontlines, but also garrison and peel off troops and kit to try and protect the rear.
 
chaparral said:
Do you guys think Putin may fire some missiles at Kyiv on 24 August ?

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Personally I think the importance of a date is overstated here, apparently the Russians think Ukraine may do something on the 24th as well.

Ukraine knows it's a marathon, not a sprint, I don't think they would take huge additional risks just because of a date on a calendar.

They've had some pretty epic attacks lately with or without there being an occasion to be fair. I'm not going to place any particular importance on 24/08.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
If anything hitting his family is probably more effective.
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"more effective" Jesus Christ :rolleyes: - If your daughter had just been murdered would you be more likely to change your mind to agree with the viewpoint of the murderers or, maybe just maybe, would you - if you had the resources - want to hunt down and punish anyone who had anything to do with your daughters death? Would the murder of your child harden your resolve or would it make you simply give up instead?

I mean I should be amazed that I even have to ask these bloody obvious rhetorical questions but yet again this thread seems to be filled with people who have no clue how humans work (not just CaptainRAVE btw)!

"Hey you just killed my daughter, maybe I was wrong about you, I'll change my mind now!" - the stupidity at times is painful.
 
ianh said:
"more effective" Jesus Christ :rolleyes: - If your daughter had just been murdered would you be more likely to change your mind to agree with the viewpoint of the murderers or, maybe just maybe, would you - if you had the resources - want to hunt down and punish anyone who had anything to do with your daughters death? Would the murder of your child harden your resolve or would it make you simply give up instead?

I mean I should be amazed that I even have to ask these bloody obvious rhetorical questions but yet again this thread seems to be filled with people who have no clue how humans work (not just CaptainRAVE btw)!

"Hey you just killed my daughter, maybe I was wrong about you, I'll change my mind now!" - the stupidity at times is painful.
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You have no idea how that person will think in that moment, yours and mine is just a long list of possibilities. He’ll be watching his back that’s for sure and it’ll send a wave of fear throughout the circle. As usual @ianh thinks he knows everything though and that everyone else is wrong.
 
CaptainRAVE said:
You have no idea how that person will think in that moment, yours and mine is just a long list of possibilities. He’ll be watching his back that’s for sure and it’ll send a wave of fear throughout the circle. As usual @ianh thinks he knows everything though and that everyone else is wrong.
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Honestly, don't bother!
 
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