Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Rroff said:
Most of the nuclear winter scenarios envisage all out use of the big old megaton bombs (which aid in stratospheric injection) all perfectly causing runaway burn off in built up urban areas - the reality is these days the use of more efficient kiloton warheads in ways which result in less potential for that level of burn off and while not completely relevant to nuclear winter reduced fallout and a significant number would be used against military targets in more remote areas rather than 100% usage against urban centres.

It would still be pretty grim and a lot of people wouldn't survive but not quite the extinction level event usually banded around - average global temperature drop would be more in the range of 3-10C.

EDIT: It is one of the reasons why there was a lot of shift towards more efficient kt warheads when as above with the big old bombs even a successful first strike against another superpower had a good chance of also ensuring your own demise.
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And unlucky for Russia, global winds would blow most of the fallout their way :p
 
Not liking the synoptics - though I couldn't guess where things are really going. Russia is moving a lot of intelligence and engineering resources into strategic positions - at levels they wouldn't bother with unless they either thought an offensive or other provocation was imminent or very likely or were planning something themselves.
 
IronWarrior said:
It's important to remember that Nuclear Winter is currently, just a theory.
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Nuclear winter is a sort of myth.

Yes, if you really wanted to create one. Then you could certainly use multiple large yield devices to do the job.

But it is also perfectly possible to detonate multiple high yield thermonuclear bombs with very little risk of generating a Nuclear winter, or even significant amounts of fallout.

It just depends on what sort of Biblical apocalyptic destruction scenario one is trying to achieve.

;):D:D
 
Minusorange said:
http://w1.c1.rada.gov.ua/pls/zweb2/webproc4_1?pf3511=65272
So it seems Ukraine are drafting a declaration of war on Russia ? :confused::eek:
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Likely some minister publishing this bill just for "show" which won't get any support or any traction in their government.

Ukraine is in no position for a war with Russia, it would honestly be like the best Christmas gift they could ever give to them if they was serious about this.

That said... things could be getting heated soon, since Ukraine is being very naughty and trying to make Crimea dry of water by blocking a strategic water canal that feeds them.
 
IronWarrior said:
Ukraine is in no position for a war with Russia, it would honestly be like the best Christmas gift they could ever give to them if they was serious about this.
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Would be a weird war - no way in **** Ukraine can win but at the same time Russia can't really afford to get bogged down in Ukraine either - Ukraine has strengthened again that it would be a hugely long slog with Russia having to commit massive amounts of meatgrinder ground troops even with the inevitable air superiority they'd enjoy (unless someone shipped Ukraine a lot of AA systems and modern jets in numbers in a hurry).
 
Rroff said:
Would be a weird war - no way in **** Ukraine can win but at the same time Russia can't really afford to get bogged down in Ukraine either - Ukraine has strengthened again that it would be a hugely long slog with Russia having to commit massive amounts of meatgrinder ground troops even with the inevitable air superiority they'd enjoy (unless someone shipped Ukraine a lot of AA systems and modern jets in numbers in a hurry).
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The Russians can play it passively - just stay at the border and shoot everyone who jumps on them.
 
Minusorange said:
It's okay now guys, UK has sent a single warship to Ukraine to send a message to Russia

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46657470

I bet Vlad is ******** himself now
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The Funktopus said:
And it’s a survey ship at that. A blood curdling sight for Russia’s Black Sea fleet I’m sure...
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I don't think the UK alone has enough military potential to fight with Russia. But if they bring the US, Russia probably will bring BRICS members and things will become hot.
 
A single ship is probably the right response. It is a gesture that shows Ukraine has friends. It doesn't just represent Britain but the western powers. Sending more than one ship would be a significant escalation and would prompt a further escalation from Russia.
 
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