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Grim5 said:
From CNN: U.S is sending Patriot missiles and JDAM kits to Ukraine in the new weapons package. The JDAM units will turn Ukraine's stock pile of dumb bombs into GPS guided munitions that can be launched from planes with a 28km range
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Thats a maximum of 28km range, which requires high altitude and high speed. A more realistic range for the altitude that the UAF currently fly at to stay alive is <12km per JDAM so quite short range but a nice "cheap" precision weapon in plentiful numbers.

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IIrc they bolt onto standard dumb bombs of all sorts, depending on the package I think it just requires a laser designator or GPS coordinates to be preloaded. I think they've been retrofitted to loads of aircraft as it was a cheap way to updated Korean war era stuff to be more effective, both the aircraft and hundreds of thousands of bombs during Vietnam etc
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Thats the issue that will slow their usage down slightly, integration in the aircraft, because even the simplest of dumb bombs need (for modern aircraft) wiring and software adding to the aircraft to allow those bombs to be fused, armed and fed release signals, usually from a specialised computer (SMS for example). NATO uses a set MIL-STD-1760 set of connections, which the UAF doesn't have on any of their aircraft, so those will need modifying, probably along the lines of the adaption of the LAU-118 HARM launchers the UAF is already using.

So now we've either got a Soviet bomb with a US JDAM kit kludged onto it or, and I think this is more probable, the US has given/will give the UAF a bunch of the Mk80 series bombs which the JDAM kit is designed for so now all thats left is the wiring needed to hook up the wiring for arm, fuse and release and away they go and a a stand-alone SMS system for them and "hope" that they release smoothly for the launch aircraft.

Any target co-ordinates can, like the HARM, be pre-programmed into the weapon manually before the launch aircraft takes off, which makes them useless for rapid;ly moving targets like Shoot & Scoot artillery etc but ideal for things like HQ's, supply depots etc, with the disadvantage that the low release altitude means the launch aircraft has to be closer to the defended targets.
 
Just passed 3000 tanks destroyed and tomorrow guarateed to pass 100k Ork scalps before Christmas :cool:.

Keep feeding that grinder Mr Putin and burn your countries future.

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Senior U.S. Official:
- Zelenskiy Will Visit Washington on Wednesday on Biden’s Invitation
- Zelenskiy Will Address Joint Session of U.S. Congress on Wednesday
- Zelenskiy Will Meet Biden, His National Security Team and Congressional Leaders on Wednesday
- Biden Will Announce U.S. Will Send Ukraine Patriot Missile Battery and U.S. Will Train Ukraine Military on Their Use in Third Country
- Biden Will Announce $2 bln New Assistance Package for Ukraine on Wednesday
- Zelenskiy, Biden Will Hold Joint Press Conference on Wednesday
- Biden’s Message to Zelenskiy Will Be That ‘We Will Stand With Ukraine As Long As It Takes’

Kremlin:
- Putin Will Not Make Annual Address to Parliament This Year
- Putin Will Make Important, Substantive Speech at Defence Ministry on Wednesday
- Asked About Zelenskiy Visit to Washington, Says No Chance of Peace Talks As Western Arms Supplies to Ukraine Continue
 
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That graph is grim reading if your a Russian solider. The numbers can't be verified but it's probably a good yard stick to give an idea of the causality rates the Russian's are suffering. From day 0 to day 150 the Russians were losing around 2000 every 50 days but after that the line skyrockets and between 250 and 300 the rate has tripled to around 6000 (and this is during the mud season).
 
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Not that it matters but if the Kremlin's decided it's acceptable losses is a hard limit then they expect to be fighting roughly another 100-200 days depending on how accurate Ukraine is tabulating these kills as it's somewhat unknown what is happening to the maimed nowadays as chances of surviving triage after the unlikely event that you even get medevac are probably still minimal.

Summer for Crimea still seems rational to me.
 
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I don't see this ending any time soon myself, Russia will keep throwing more resources at it (and the rumour mill suggests another wave of mobiks in Jan is likely).

They don't really seem to care that they're losing men and old equipment as long as it causes chaos.

if Ukraine survives the winter with the energy infrastructure being pummelled by missiles, and gets more AA to remove that threat or lessen it, then we're just back to who can win the ground war.
 
HungryHippos said:
I don't see this ending any time soon myself, Russia will keep throwing more resources at it (and the rumour mill suggests another wave of mobiks in Jan is likely).

They don't really seem to care that they're losing men and old equipment as long as it causes chaos.

if Ukraine survives the winter with the energy infrastructure being pummelled by missiles, and gets more AA to remove that threat or lessen it, then we're just back to who can win the ground war.
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I think we're looking at a protracted war, which effectively turns into a staring contest. While putin is in charge, he can't back down. A change in Russian leadership might lead to a policy change, but that's far from certain.
 
potatolord said:
I think we're looking at a protracted war, which effectively turns into a staring contest. While putin is in charge, he can't back down. A change in Russian leadership might lead to a policy change, but that's far from certain.
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I wouldn't count on it, best strategy continues to be sending weapons to Ukraine so it can defend itself.

Maybe some assistance in helping Ukraine make their own long range guided missiles if not outwardly sending them new ones, Russia can't really argue if the missiles Ukraine sends are not officially Western origin.
 
HungryHippos said:
I wouldn't count on it, best strategy continues to be sending weapons to Ukraine so it can defend itself.

Maybe some assistance in helping Ukraine make their own long range guided missiles if not outwardly sending them new ones, Russia can't really argue if the missiles Ukraine sends are not officially Western origin.
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Nothing is certain, but I can't see Russia backing down in the short term.

The question is, how much pain will Russia take in pursuit of their goals? I suspect that is a lot as, once they lose, they have a very hostile NATO member on their doorstep. At this point, they have nothing to lose, except the lives of their soldiers.
 
potatolord said:
they have a very hostile NATO member on their doorstep
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That is putting it lightly, they will have a hostile NATO/EU bloc on their border, not just Ukraine but I can't see the west collectively trusting Russia diplomatically for a long, long time, not unless Russia has an internal change of leadership and makes amends somehow.
 
potatolord said:
I suspect that is a lot as, once they lose, they have a very hostile NATO member on their doorstep. At this point, they have nothing to lose, except the lives of their soldiers.
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They already had hostile NATO members on their doorstep before they decided to add more by invading Ukraine. Nor does Russian "Success" in the war really change that - their best case outcome is that claim a chunk of Ukraine, leaving the rest free. Putin's fever dreams aside, this argument just doesn't hold up to scrutiny.

(Also, I don't think Ukraine will join NATO - at least not soon).
 
potatolord said:
Exactly. They have nothing to lose.
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Except global respect and position, this war will plunge Russia back economically and diplomatically for a very, very long time.

Essentially they are weakening themselves, and it's gone too far for them to retreat so they see the only option as continuation.

If they capitulate now then Ukraine will demand war reparations and other concessions, which they won't want to give. Once Ukraine (hopefully/eventually) kicks Russia back to the pre-war borders, then I don't really see what Russia can do other than silo itself off from the west and enter another cold war era, or admit defeat and pay the piper.

If Russia left today and made no steps to pay damages, then they would just remain a pariah state, ultimately it's up to them.

Whole war makes no sense, especially if as Russia has shown, you can't even win it convincingly.
 
Putin Starts Speaking at Russian Defence Ministry Meeting

Putin:
- Almost All NATO's Potential is Being Used Against Russia
- Russia Will Fulfill Its Tasks
- Russia Will Increase Its Military Potential
- You Are Fighting Like Heroes of Previous Russia's Wars
- Our Task is to Improve Military Forces
- Our Army Units Have Gained Huge Military Experience
- Our Military Experience Gained in Syria Should Be Used
- You Should Analyse NATO's Experience
- We Will Continue to Improve Combat Readiness of Nuclear Forces
- Interballistic Missiles Sarmat Will Be Deployed for Combat Duty in Nearest Future
- We Will Equip Our Strategic Forces with Modern Weapons, All Plans Will Be Fulfilled
- Experience of Special Military Operation in Ukraine Showed Importance of Drones
- We Don't Have Any Restrictions on Financing of Army
- The Country Will Give the Armed Forces Everything It Asks For
- Partial Mobilisation Highlighted Certain Problems
- State Has Funds To Meet All Army's Needs
- 150,000 Mobilised, Who Are Being Trained, is Enough for Reserves
- Defence Ministry Should React to Critics

Russian Defence Minister Shoigu:
- Joint Forces of West Are Fighting Russia in Ukraine
- West Tries to Overlook Nuclear Blackmail, Including Over Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Station
- West Tries to Drag on the Fighting in Ukraine
- We Are Fighting to Save People in Ukraine From Genocide and Terror
- We Are Ready for Talks
- Military Potential of Ukraine is Being Destroyed
- 27 Countries Have Already Spent $97 Billion on Weapons Supplies to Ukraine
- United States and Allies Spend Significant Sums on Information Wars
- Partial Mobilisation Has Been Serious Trial for Country and the Army
- We Faced Difficulties During Partial Mobilisation
- Partial Mobilisation Has Increased Combat Capabilities of Russian Troops
- Berdyansk and Mariupol Ports Are Functional
- Our Nuclear Forces Are Able to Provide Strategic Deterrence
- Russia Has Sped Up New Weapons Supplies to Army
- Proposes to Raise Draft Age Range
- Russia Needs To Expand Military Forces To 1.5 Million
- New Units Will Be Added to Strategic Forces
- Proposes To Increase Overall Troop Numbers
- Russia Will Continue Its 'Special Military Operation' in Ukraine in 2023

Putin:
- Our Strategic Enemies Have Goal of Russia's Disintegration
- Our Geopolitical Rivals Have Started to Brainwash Post-Soviet Countries, First of All in Ukraine
- We Have Tried to Set Up Brotherly Relations for Years, But Nothing Worked
- We Were Not Effective in Setting Up Good Relations with Ukraine
- What is Happening Now is Our Common Tragedy, It's the Results Not of Our Policy, but the Policy of Third Countries
- I Still Consider Ukrainians as Brotherly People
- Combat Actions Always Bring Tragedy and Human Losses, but It's Better That It Happens Today Than Tomorrow
- Russia Has Everything, All the Possibilities, to Increase Its Potential
- We Will Not Harm Economy and Social Sphere
- We Will Not Militarise Our Economy
- We Will Improve Military Forces Calmly, Without Rushing
- We Do Not Doubt That We Will Achieve All the Goals
 
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Turn said:
Almost All NATO's Potential is Being Used Against Russia
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This one always makes me laugh, if NATO really wanted to wade in it could do a lot more.

Even some long range missiles would cripple Russia's offensive campaign, hitting crucial supply and material depots far behind the lines would then be possible.

NATO as a whole has barely handed Russia anything compared to what it could do, also most of NATO isn't sat there trying to spend their entire budgets on a war-footing economy like Russia is attempting.
 
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All of NATO’s potential would end Russia in days. He’s such a clown.

Turn said:
www.reuters.com

Invoking World War Two, Zelenskiy tells Congress aid is not charity

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy told the U.S. Congress on Wednesday that aid to Ukraine is an investment in democracy, not charity, and invoked American victory over the Nazis in a key World War Two battle to press for continued assistance.
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Such a power move. From the frontlines to congress and apparently with a flag handed to him on the frontline too. I hope they get every piece of equipment needed. **** Russia.
 
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