Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Thrust vectoring is only useful in a dogfight and only a ‘gentlemens’ dogfight with pre determined rules! Even a spitfire would easily out turn most modern Jets in this scenario.

Problem is ‘this scenario’ will never happen as stand-off weapons would be used!
 
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Rroff said:
Around half of the Russian combat airframe losses (and the stuff shot down - but quite a few were ditched due to malfunctions, etc.) in the early part of the war, I've not kept up since, were basically 1970s spec with sometimes a GPS (GLONASS?) tablet stuck in there, etc.
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Yes they use Flight Radar app to find enemy aircraft, but dont understand why their are no aircraft flying over Ukraine till a missile hits them lol
 
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Grim5 said:
Thrust vectoring lol, the pro Russian argument for the su-57 is that it's more manoeuvrable than the f35. And that is true in a close range dogfight but the F35 is not a dogfight plane, it's a stealth stand off fighter/bomber. What they forget to tell you is that the f35 and its interconnected network systems is able to detect and track targets 800km+ away and it carries air to air missiles with a 1200km range.

They also forget to tell you that Russia has hardly any su-57's because it can't afford many and no one else is buying them putting the entire program at risk of collapse like the t14 armada just did. Unlike the F35, which the Americans are building 15 of every month
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Exactly, you’re already toast a long long time before you’d ever see an F35.
 
Curlyriff said:
Also anyone know if they have actually been effective in any way?
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From what I have seen, there are only a handful of BMPT2. At least 2 were still active recently.

Seemed to get praise back when Lisichansk was being surrounded.
Had a strange and unexpected role of night-time long range ambush. With good AT missiles and okay-ish night vision, could fire from 3-4 km at supply road traffic and armored vehicles. And countering that is tricky.

But limited AT ammo, 4 missiles, meant it couldn't do much damage
 
900km range? what do they guide with - satellites? Even the K-100 (based on the BUK) was 1/2 that, and was supposed to be home on jam for anti awacs work
 
alec said:
From what I have seen, there are only a handful of BMPT2. At least 2 were still active recently.

Seemed to get praise back when Lisichansk was being surrounded.
Had a strange and unexpected role of night-time long range ambush. With good AT missiles and okay-ish night vision, could fire from 3-4 km at supply road traffic and armored vehicles. And countering that is tricky.

But limited AT ammo, 4 missiles, meant it couldn't do much damage
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Between 10 and 13 were deployed in Ukraine - they got their arses handed to them in their intended role and were retired to defensive roles behind frontlines and occasional hit and run attacks. I can't remember exact details now but 3-4 were damaged, one of those possibly destroyed. They also seem to have some pretty bad maintenance issues with the engine running rough on most of them.
 
Harlequin said:
900km range? what do they guide with - satellites? Even the K-100 (based on the BUK) was 1/2 that, and was supposed to be home on jam for anti awacs work
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I'm assuming 1200km is talking about JASSM variants for air to surface - though the US has been trialling long range JATM variants including multi-stage which are essentially data-linked cruise missiles for air to air work.
 
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