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Markopolo said:
Actually France had more tanks than Germany at the start of the war, many of them functionally superior in some aspects (like armour) to their German counterparts. The difference came down to doctrine. Many french tanks were designed for infantry support as they were geared up for a refight of WW1
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I was wrong. Good to know, so thank you. Fighting the wrong war has been the downfall of a fair few forces.
 
Sankari said:
Republicans are malding hard over the fact that Zelensky didn't wear a suit to the White House, preferring to remain in his army greens.
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Is that an official statement from the Republican party? The results of a fair poll of all members of the Republican party? All people who voted for the party? Or is it just the one person you quoted?

They're so wrong that it's barely within the realms of sanity let alone reasonable behaviour, but they're one person.
 
Angilion said:
Is that an official statement from the Republican party? The results of a fair poll of all members of the Republican party? All people who voted for the party? Or is it just the one person you quoted?
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I said 'Republicans', not 'the Republican leadership' or 'all Republicans.' Read that thread and you'll see he has plenty of support. Republican voters are widely opposed to supporting Ukraine.

57 House Republicans and 11 Senate Republicans voted against the $40 billion Ukraine aid bill in May.

Angilion said:
They're so wrong that it's barely within the realms of sanity let alone reasonable behaviour, but they're one person.
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A Morning Consult poll released on Monday found that only 29 percent of registered GOP respondents believe the U.S. has an obligation to help Ukraine in its conflict with Russia.

By comparison, 56 percent of registered Democrats and 38 percent of independents believe that the U.S. has a responsibility to assist Kyiv in the war.

Overall, 42 percent of respondents believe that the U.S. has an obligation to help Ukraine, according to the survey.
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More Republicans now oppose continued U.S. aid to Ukraine amid its months-long war with Russia, according to a new Wall Street Journal survey.

The poll, published Thursday, found that 48 percent of registered Republican respondents said that they believe the U.S. is doing too much to help Ukraine fend off the invasion from its neighbor, up from only 6 percent earlier this year.
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Sankari said:
I said 'Republicans', not 'the Republican leadership' or 'all Republicans.' Read that thread and you'll see he has plenty of support. Republican voters are widely opposed to supporting Ukraine.
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Are they? The best you could find was one poll showing that a large minority of the unspecified number of registered republican voters asked an unspecified question in an unspecified context allegedly indicated that they thought the USA was spending too much money on supporting Ukraine.

i) What proportion of Republicans support the specific statement in question, the one about Zelensky's clothing?
ii) Why do you think it's reasonable to make a statement about something being true of Republicans when it's not an official party position and it's been voiced by 1 person? Even if you conflate criticism of Zelensky's clothing with criticism of how much money the USA is spending in Ukraine, you still can't get even a majority.

OcUK forum members masturbate to Star Trek fanfic porn.

As long as one OcUK forum member has done that once, that's a fair statement, right?
 
Angilion said:
Are they? The best you could find was one poll showing that a large minority of the unspecified number of registered republican voters asked an unspecified question in an unspecified context allegedly indicated that they thought the USA was spending too much money on supporting Ukraine.
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Desperation much? It must hurt to be this deranged. Take some Panadol and have a lie down, you'll thank me later.

Angilion said:
i) What proportion of Republicans support the specific statement in question, the one about Zelensky's clothing?
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I have no idea. I didn't make any assertion about that.

Angilion said:
ii) Why do you think it's reasonable to make a statement about something being true of Republicans when it's not an official party position and it's been voiced by 1 person?
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Because I said 'Republicans' (plural), I didn't say it was an official party position, and I provided evidence to support my statement.

Angilion said:
Even if you conflate criticism of Zelensky's clothing with criticism of how much money the USA is spending in Ukraine, you still can't get even a majority.
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I can, the polls clearly show that the majority of Republicans are opposed to giving Ukraine more aid.

Angilion said:
OcUK forum members masturbate to Star Trek fanfic porn.

As long as one OcUK forum member has done that once, that's a fair statement, right?
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Straw man. I said 'Republicans are malding hard over the fact that Zelensky didn't wear a suit to the White House, preferring to remain in his army greens.'

I didn't say how many, I didn't specify a percentage, I just said 'Republicans.' And it's true: Republicans are doing that. Multiple Republicans. I even gave you a link to examples on Twitter. There's dozens of them out there.

Cope harder.
 
Colonel_Klinck said:
Years ago I did a advertising shoot for Inmarsat on Sakhalin. Can't remember the exact month but there was still lots of snow and it was damned cold. I got talking with some American and Brits who were there building the pipeline that went from the north of the island to the south so they could ship the gas out all year round as the sea is frozen in the north in winter. Anyway they were saying how the Russians spent all their time drunk and when the thaw arrives they start finding bodies of those that got lost or just fell asleep when drunk at night and get covered up by fresh snow fall, there was at least 2m of snow where we were. They said it can be dozens over the course of a winter that died and weren't found until the spring.
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Was told similar a few years ago by a fellow passenger on a flight I got talking to - went all around the world building airports.
 
Sankari said:
Desperation much? It must hurt to be this deranged. Take some Panadol and have a lie down, you'll thank me later.
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I'll thank you now, since you so promptly acknowledged that your position is completely unsupported and unsupportable. Are you an intern for that Spicer person you quoted? You seem to be doing your best to promote one of the basic ideas they focus on - that their opponents are rabidly intolerant and generally extremely unpleasant.

Sankari said:
I have no idea. I didn't make any assertion about that.
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You did. That's what I replied to. I quoted it. Your post is still there. I'll quote it again:

Sankari said:
Republicans are malding hard over the fact that Zelensky didn't wear a suit to the White House, preferring to remain in his army greens.
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Sankari said:
Because I said 'Republicans' (plural), I didn't say it was an official party position, and I provided evidence to support my statement.
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Evidence of 1 Republican doing something is not adequate evidence to claim that Republicans do it.

Would you understand what's wrong if a different group were targetted? For example, how about someone stating "Muslims are terrorists"? Do you understand what's wrong with that statement? Would you claim that the existence of even only 1 muslim who's a terrorist is evidence to support the statement that muslims are terrorists? Would you claim that the existence of a study with unknown methodology and unknown sample selection methods asking an unknown number of muslims an unknown question in an unknown context claiming to show that a large minority of muslims supported sharia law (to an unknown extent in an unknown context) is evidence that muslims are terrorists?
 
CaptainRAVE said:
It’s about time Ukraine were given the ability to hit Belarus hard now that it’s being used as a staging ground.
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Which would drag Belarus fully into the war. Whilst its still a non-participant I think its best that Ukraine avoids adding a new enemy.

Also regarding being a "Staging Ground" - Russia could use that same excuse against any nation currently training Ukrainian forces as that is what Belarus is doing for Russia, troop training and gifting equipment. There are just soooooo many very, very, very, very good reasons not to attack Belarus.
 
nsmalley said:
Only if everyone gives him what he wants
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Unfortunately, Putin has essentially placed Russia on a war stance. A gap simply means Russia recovering and coming back stronger. It should start with handing over Putin and others to face warcrimes justice, to recognise the sovereign national identities for all of the border countries without restriction, to remove all forces from those countries and within X distance of the boarder, to limit spending on offensive capabilities (inspected by UN), repaying of damages to Ukraine, agreement to not fund or participate in terrorism and for sections to remain in place until the demands have been completed.

It wouldn't surprise me if Putin falls down the stairs if he started negotiating with any serious intent.

Personally I think they're hollow words, mocking and the state of the Russia is purely due to Putin's regime..
 
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