Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Forecast is for a severe drop in temperature from Friday evening until mid week, especially in the east of Ukraine. Highs of -10 and lows of -18 in many areas on the eastern front.
Could be a serious issue for civilians if Russia can organize a well timed strike on the energy grid.

Could also be a good opportunity to strike some of those Russian positions that have been softened up over the last few weeks.
 
Russia finally starting to admit that Ukrainian strike wiped out a lot of mobniks. The best part: Ukraine was able to locate them by their illegal use of mobile phones. So anyone with any lingering confidence in the professionalism of the Russian armed forces should probably revise that evaluation. :p

Russia's defence ministry has blamed the illegal use of mobile phones for a deadly Ukrainian missile strike that killed 89 servicemen, raising the reported death toll significantly.

Moscow previously said 63 Russian soldiers were killed in the New Year's Eve strike, but on Wednesday announced more bodies had been found under rubble.

The ministry's reaction came amid mounting anger among some Russian commentators, who are increasingly vocal about what they see as a half-hearted campaign in Ukraine.

Most of the anger on social media was directed at military commanders rather than Russian President Vladimir Putin.

The Russian defence ministry said four Ukrainian missiles hit a temporary Russian barracks in a vocational college in Makiivka, the twin city of the Russian-occupied regional capital of Donetsk in eastern Ukraine.

Ukraine's military has said it launched a strike that resulted in Russian loss of equipment and possibly personnel near Makiivka, but it has given no further details.

Ukraine has said as many as 400 Russians were killed.

Although an official probe has been launched, the main reason for the attack was clearly the illegal mass use of mobile phones by servicemen, Russia's ministry said.

"This factor allowed the enemy to track and determine the coordinates of the soldiers' location for a missile strike," it said in a statement.
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I’m guessing there was so many recently mobilised Russians in that one place is that it looks like the Russian army are more concerned with them doing a runner, rather than keeping them dispersed and safer from Ukrainian attack.
 
Blackjack Davy said:
Only if someone is paying for them, someone has to pay the bills and in our case its the taxpayer



Expressing a desire and actually achieving it are two vastly different things NATO won't even consider an application until the war is over and relations are firmly settled with Russia, one way or another. Its also likely to increase Putin's resolve to prolong the fight as he seems to be a personal mission to restore the borders of teh old USSR and push back NATO's boundaries. Can't see this war ending anytime soon it'll drag on another year yet I'll wager
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Cant see it tbh, with the Russian losses now becoming public in Russia how long can Putin hold out?

Ultimately, the generals are taking flak just now but it wont be long until that changes to the man that started it all.
 
nsmalley said:
Easy to forget HIMARS is relatively old tech(for NATO anyway) as it was first tested in the late 90's and developed during the 80's..
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But that doesn't mean it hasn't been greatly improved, those GPS guidance missiles are scarily accurate, who would want to be on the end of them.
 
Kot said:
Simple answer --- if you use just 1 ATACMS to hit Russian terriority then all ammunition to Himars will cease. Himars will be re-called etc etc along with all military support.
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No it wont, never in a million years. They will huff and puff but in the end this war is destroying Russia for NATO, a win win for everyone except Russia.

NATO are so deeply embedded in this war without having to fire a shot, you think they are just going to walk away now< no chance.
 
Gregvivi0401 said:
This would be one step to far and could spark more conflict.
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can you explain this "more conflict" If you think Russia can do anymore than they are doing you're very much mistaken.

All Russia have is a nuclear threat, but Xi said in no uncertain terms that that is off the table and to stop threatening it
 
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bris said:
can you explain this "more conflict" If you think Russia can do anymore than they are doing you're very much mistaken.

All Russia have is a nuclear threat, but Xi said in no uncertain terms that that is off the table and to stop threatening it
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I hope i am mistaken but Putin is loosing and what he will do with no options ( are you sure its only nuclear threat i hope it is).
 
Gregvivi0401 said:
I hope i am mistaken but Putin is loosing and what he will do with no options ( are you sure its only nuclear threat i hope it is).
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Well, they are struggling to invade Ukraine (a single relatively poor, non-Nato country) so any notion that they would stand any sort of chance in a conventional war against NATO is clearly absurd.

So yes, the Nuclear threat is pretty much all they have.
 
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