Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Custor]

Russia was massing first.

Nato doesn't even have 100,000 troops in Europe.

And most of Natos troops are in Germany.

There has been basically zero provocation from the west or ukraine. Only a reaction to an action by the Russians.

I’m not sure your numbers are right?
Turkey by itself has 300,000 troops.
There are 8 European countries with armed forces 100,000+….reckon most of those troops are IN europe. can’t all be on exotic beaches like the TV recruitment adverts.

We’re you talking US forces?

 

[RoboCod]

Really interesting. Any recent images from Ukraine/Belarus/Russia?

You're best reading the twitter feed for a detailed description of how to use the tool and search for kit yourself. Nice open source but of SAR demonstration in there.

 

[Minusorange]

Chechens, etc.

Expecting war crimes with these guys involved then

 

[Hawk Tuah]

All I see is that they are working hard to corner Russia into a situation where they are going to fall apart as a country - its matter of time.

Are you a Russian troll? You see dissuading Russia from invading another country as cornering Russia?

Why risk it all over mere buffer states that are not crucial to its homeland well being.

I'm sure the people of Ukraine might feel a bit different.

 

[Enkore]

Are you a Russian troll? You see dissuading Russia from invading another country as cornering Russia?
I'm sure the people of Ukraine might feel a bit different.

Do you have any ability to process the opposite sides leadership thought process? Do you remember when Soviets put some stuff on Cuba? Did we just go, well Cuba is an independent nation and they are free to do whatever?

Each time Russian planes land in South America we issue our unhappiness with it.

Russians consider Ukraine their back yard quite literally. You can keep ignoring that and push ahead but don't act surprised if things get out of hand and you're conscripted to fight Russians somewhere on frontline.

This whole 'well hurr durr Ukranians might feel different' when did that bother anyone? I'm sure people in Afghanistan are not in love with Taliban either, did it matter? No.

This whole idealistic view of the world is just silly. We made it clear that even if Russia rolls tanks into Ukraine tomorrow. WE ARE NOT engaging. UK even pulled all of its instructors out to avoid ANY engagement.

 

[delta0]

You're best reading the twitter feed for a detailed description of how to use the tool and search for kit yourself. Nice open source but of SAR demonstration in there.

I’ll check it out. Thanks for sharing this. Had no idea this was possible.

 

[XeNoN89]

Are you a Russian troll? You see dissuading Russia from invading another country as cornering Russia?
I'm sure the people of Ukraine might feel a bit different.

He's either a troll or a fruit loop

 

[Enkore]

He's either a troll or a fruit loop

You should just read my post history rather than jumping to conclusions. I put Putin in same league as Hitler. My issue is that we are in the west are actively assisting in this outcome through our blind and brute force actions.

But yes people who have a different view on how this situation should have been handled are all trolls or fruit loops. Right-o.

I'm sure people said same thing when they squeezed Germans to the pips and cut out their land after WW1. Then acted all surprised how on earth did Hitler managed to mobilize such hatred in his country and go on offensive.

 

[The Running Man]

You should just read my post history rather than jumping to conclusions. I put Putin in same league as Hitler. My issue is that we are in the west are actively assisting in this outcome through our blind and brute force actions.

But yes people who have a different view on how this situation should have been handled are all trolls or fruit loops. Right-o.

I'm sure people said same thing when they squeezed Germans to the pips and cut out their land after WW1. Then acted all surprised how on earth did Hitler managed to mobilize such hatred in his country and go on offensive.

The west are facilitating this by not putting NATO into ukraine.

The Russians simply wouldn't attack if NATO troops were in Ukraine or advised that they would react to any attack on Ukraine.

Putin is testing Nato's resolve and Nato is failing to answer the call.

The whole west failed to act sufficiently to the crimea incursion which is why the Russians are so emboldened.

 

[throwaway4372]

NATO obvs considered that and concluded that Russia still would attack.

 

[RoboCod]

I’ll check it out. Thanks for sharing this. Had no idea this was possible.

SAR, LIDAR, IR, change detection, etc have numerous applications in information gathering. Because it's using data outside that of the visible band on the EM spectrum, it's data that can often be overlooked as it's unusual, or hard to interpret. That, and top brass like pretty visible pictures too

 

[ubersonic]

Ukranian air-force is in a totally sorry state. I doubt many of those have actually been upgraded or are that air-worthy. Lastly, the Russian air-force will enter Ukraine after a missile attack that is combination of Kalibr, Tochka, Iskanders from land and sea and air based from Tu-95 or Tu-160 . Those will target SAMS and Airfields.

There won't be any of that left in any major quantity to close the skies.

That's the list of what is airworthy/armed/etc. If it wasn't it would include hundreds of MiG 21s wouldn't it

As for launching long range missiles from bombers/ships a country away, the Ukrainian military are not ISIS, that worked in Syria but would be largely ineffective if tried here. Using cruise missiles to try and take out anti air installations capable of intercepting cruise missiles is a pretty dumb move, I doubt they would waste the missiles. Unless they were attempting to simply spam them to try and whittle down the defending forces stock of missiles so that sending in aircraft would be an acceptable risk, but that would take some time and a LOT of resources.

But then again you have the same issue as artillery, I.E if you're close enough to hit Ukraine's backline with your Tochka then they can hit you with their Tochka.

 

[Enkore]

That's the list of what is airworthy/armed/etc. If it wasn't it would include hundreds of MiG 21s wouldn't it

As for launching long range missiles from bombers/ships a country away, the Ukrainian military are not ISIS, that worked in Syria but would be largely ineffective if tried here. Using cruise missiles to try and take out anti air installations capable of intercepting cruise missiles is a pretty dumb move, I doubt they would waste the missiles. Unless they were attempting to simply spam them to try and whittle down the defending forces stock of missiles so that sending in aircraft would be an acceptable risk, but that would take some time and a LOT of resources.

But then again you have the same issue as artillery, I.E if you're close enough to hit Ukraine's backline with your Tochka then they can hit you with their Tochka.

Since when does Ukraine has substantial capability to intercept ballistic missiles? S-300 is the only one that has some of that capability considering they actually have the actual missiles.

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  Ukraine – S-300PT, S-300PS, S-300V.[151] Only six systems were kept in working conditions between 2004 and 2014; as a result only 40% of Ukrainian S-300 systems were in good condition prior to 2014.[152] Due to the war with Russia Ukraine started repairing and pushing back to service several armaments included several S-300 batteries,[153] with at least 4 batteries overhauled in the period 2014–15. 34 launchers remained in the Crimea after 2014 Russian annexation of Crimea.[154]

Of course there is a chance of Ukranians using their Tochka. The difference is that Russians have full array radars picking them up in flight relatively easily. These are ancient systems that Russians have already phased out in exchange for Iskander.

Lets be honest and say that chances of Ukrainians launching a successful attack that is not intercepted across Russian border is very limited.

 

[ubersonic]

everytime Ukraine is mentioned the Americans keep talking about NATO. Ukraine isn't in NATO.

That's the entire crux of this matter, Ukraine hope to join NATO in the future for protection from Russia, Russia don't want that.

A similar thing happened back in 2008 when Georgia announced it's intention to join NATO and Putin ordered invasion plans drawn up to prevent this (which were later executed).

An interesting note is that back in 2008 GW Bush was in favour of Georgia and Ukraine being admitted to NATO however France and Germany were against it. Nevertheless both were offered roadmaps to membership, Georgia's resulting in a Russian invasion and Ukraine's being put on hold out of fear of a Russian invasion (that worked out well for them ).

 

[delta0]

SAR, LIDAR, IR, change detection, etc have numerous applications in information gathering. Because it's using data outside that of the visible band on the EM spectrum, it's data that can often be overlooked as it's unusual, or hard to interpret. That, and top brass like pretty visible pictures too

So true. I’ve done work in the past using CFD (computational fluid dynamics) and the nickname for that is colours for directors!

 

[Enkore]

NATO obvs considered that and concluded that Russia still would attack.

People are constantly over-stating NATO ability to defend buffer countries in a real conflict against a big dog like China or Russia.

There is higher probability of NATO cutting losses with U.S at its helm in majority of cases rather than risking millions of its soldiers dead or its own country nuked for a war over Latvia.

You will struggle big time to declare all out war over Latvia and technically you would have to.

This whole fallacy of NATO is what ruined Europe. America is not going to put its skin on the line if push comes to shove. EU should've been prepared to defend itself all alone.

 

[ubersonic]

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/...6?shareToken=e7f55b0b76ff7d12765761d481a9cc5b

It does seem to be a lesson in why you need to keep your nuclear deterrent.

It's a long story that was covered in depth a few pages back but the TLDR is that Ukraine thought they were giving up their nuclear capability in exchange for assurance that US/UK would come to their defence if Russia invaded them or nuked them. However due to some poor wording on the document everyone signed it actually reads that we will come to their aid if Russia nukes them or nukes AND invades them. Which our governments are fine with as we basically managed to disarm the worlds third biggest nuclear power without having to honour our verbal promises.

 

[bingham67]

Plenty of blackhawks buzzing around Poland today.

 

[Enkore]

It's a long story that was covered in depth a few pages back but the TLDR is that Ukraine thought they were giving up their nuclear capability in exchange for assurance that US/UK would come to their defence if Russia invaded them or nuked them. However due to some poor wording on the document everyone signed it actually reads that we will come to their aid if Russia nukes them or nukes AND invades them. Which our governments are fine with as we basically managed to disarm the worlds third biggest nuclear power without having to honour our verbal promises.

Imagine looking at all these agreements that everyone wiped their arses with. Then looking at Turkey - Russia incident where Turkey shot Russian plane in its own airspace and NATO said, no way jose, no article 5 for you.

Looking at all that and saying, well we do not need an army, we just got NATO and USA will protect us.

I mean how stupid are people.

NATO has been a single biggest detriment to European security in modern times. This fallacy that America will come to fight Russians while risking millions of casualties and its own continent nuked over Latvia is a total wet dream.

 

[ubersonic]

Since when does Ukraine has substantial capability to intercept ballistic missiles?

They have ~70 Buks and ~250 S-300 both of which are capable of downing incoming scuds and rocket artillery (their upgraded S-300 are still called S-300 but spec wise they are effectively S-400s).