Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Putting A-10's in the air without having air superiority is like sending a pack of wolves in against guys with machine guns.
F-117's are highly specialist aircraft, very few people trained to fly them, ridiculous amount of hours of maintenance required to put it in the air by specialist teams only in the USAF; completely unsuitable.
Essentially having an advanced modern air force is really expensive and really technically demanding, it's not something you want to try and piece together while fighting a war in your own country.
The A10 is essentially a better SU25 that the Ukrainians currently operate.
The F117 is a problem for the US because it’s extremely toxic and expensive for the US to dispose of. The F117 would give the Ukrainians a capability way ahead of the Russians.
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Been quite a few instances of stuff kind of like that - back in the 70-80s some of the smaller armies/mercenaries forces in places like Africa, etc. would strap rocket pods to aircraft like that.
One of the problems there really was having any air defences at all - even some of the units with multiple tanks in some cases have nothing more than MANPADS and improvised autocannon or .50 cal mounts.
I'm not sure there is any realistic hope of it not rolling on for awhile
though very slowly Russia is growing into the war in terms of military industry mobilisation and civilian mobilisation towards the war effort and aren't going to run out of people for a long while yet - though they are going to increasingly have to start conscripting from parts of society who might present more of an issue than the poorer regions they've been emptying out so far but I can't really see much of a kickback given how things have gone so far. Russia has less and less to lose now from not being on a war footing.
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The A-10 is a better hyped Su-25 than what the Ukrainians currently operate, as to whether not not it's a better plane is highly debatable.
In either case, as Roar says operating it without air supremacy is suicidal, the A-10 works best blowing up things in the desert against an enemy with no air defence or air force. It's a cool looking plane but it never lived up to it's hype, it's hype being essentially the only thing that's kept it in US service.
As for the F-117 I have no idea why that's even being discussed, it was/is a light bomber that had cutting edge stealth in the 1980s, but that was it's singular party piece. It's like if you take a Harrier and remove VTOL you just have a subsonic fighter with crap manoeuvrability. One trick ponies.
If the Serbians were able to shoot down an F-117 using an S-125 from the 1960s (combined with excellent tactics, to be fair) then against a Russia with modern SAMs and modern fighter radars they would get obliterated.
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Yeah I have doubts about how effective the F117 would be today against S-400's radar. Also the US wouldn't want any getting given to the Russians or Chinese anyway, even if they are old they may contain material science techniques not yet figured out by the Russians or Chinese
As for the A-10, Ukraine doesn't want it. There is no point sending it when their Air Force has said no thanks we don't want it, it won't help us
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AFAIK the only way the competition are better than the A-10 is target acquisition, which is kind of a big one none the less. Given its role it struggles surprisingly especially in poor weather even after updates with more modern electronics to try and compensate for that.
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so $1.2 billion worth for 2 or 3 days war supply, that's crazy
I wonder how many will be sent to aid Taiwan in a couple of years
This segment is hilarious
Solovyov says they should nuke Ukraine as soon as F16s land.
Bad luck for him F16's have already previously landed.
He also says America has nothing it can do to make them regret nuking Ukraine
And then the cherry on the cake, when the other people tell Solovyov they should not be nuking territory they wish to occupy, he claims that Chernobyl is perfectly fine and safe to live in
Solovyov also claimed that everything through to France is part of Western Russia and also claimed that London belongs to Russia, his reasoning for these claims he says is because Russians live there
Solovyov says they should nuke Ukraine as soon as F16s land.
Bad luck for him F16's have already previously landed.
He also says America has nothing it can do to make them regret nuking Ukraine
And then the cherry on the cake, when the other people tell Solovyov they should not be nuking territory they wish to occupy, he claims that Chernobyl is perfectly fine and safe to live in
Solovyov also claimed that everything through to France is part of Western Russia and also claimed that London belongs to Russia, his reasoning for these claims he says is because Russians live there
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Interestingly it seems that the USAF has brought some F-117’s out of retirement to use as stealth aggressor aircraft, as their radar cross section is thought to be more akin to what the likes of the Chinese J-20 and Russian SU-57 would be, i.e. not as good as the F-22 or F-35. They’ve been pictured recently flying in the training areas around Nellis AFB in Nevada.
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Now F16 will come to Ukraine so this will not end quickly.
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Yeah its not ending in 2023 now, thats for sure.
Still a chance that Ukraine can grab a lot back in 2023 though. The Russian lines seem to be weakening and momentum swinging to Ukraine. (All Russian attacks are basically failing or gaining eg a few fields).
It seems the Russians are struggling now with Arty in many places as they continued destruction of that has made counter battery fire far less effective on the Russian side.
The Russians are now retreating into their own defensive lines. Whether they are as heavily mined as the initial front lines were will be interesting to see. If Ukraine keep pushing there is far less time for Russia to add a lot more in depth.
Ukraine seem to be growing into this war, now having adapted the NATO ground approach to one that suits them and the weapons they actually have.
(Seems flanking and then pushing into towns is working well for them. Its slow but its working.)
I think there is a 50/50 chance they can get to the Black sea this year. As said yesterday that is going to make the SW areas and Crimea very difficult for Russia to hold through autumn/winter.
Still a chance that Ukraine can grab a lot back in 2023 though. The Russian lines seem to be weakening and momentum swinging to Ukraine. (All Russian attacks are basically failing or gaining eg a few fields).
It seems the Russians are struggling now with Arty in many places as they continued destruction of that has made counter battery fire far less effective on the Russian side.
The Russians are now retreating into their own defensive lines. Whether they are as heavily mined as the initial front lines were will be interesting to see. If Ukraine keep pushing there is far less time for Russia to add a lot more in depth.
Ukraine seem to be growing into this war, now having adapted the NATO ground approach to one that suits them and the weapons they actually have.
(Seems flanking and then pushing into towns is working well for them. Its slow but its working.)
I think there is a 50/50 chance they can get to the Black sea this year. As said yesterday that is going to make the SW areas and Crimea very difficult for Russia to hold through autumn/winter.
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For a sobering reality check on the likely duration of this war, consider Wikipedia's list of conflicts by duration.
Precedent points to at least several more years to come.
Precedent points to at least several more years to come.
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They were never really retired. `Wobblin Goblins` were used over Syria in 2017 on combat ops. USAF have 48 on Roster
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