Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[XPE]

300K dead on the Russian side, god knows how many in the Ukrainian side, then there is how many more injured and cannot return to combat, plus civilian casualties.

Russian leadership has a lot to answer for.

The Dnipro crossings are an interesting one, it has the ability to bypass a lot of the defence's but who knows what that river is like in the winter months and if large amount of supplies can be maintained over it.

 

[Freddie1980]

Reports of a major HIMARS strike on a Russian battalion reportedly killing and injuring 120 men and destroying 10 vehicles.

Deadly HIMARS strike on Russian convoy "wiped out battalion": Video

The strike by the U.S.-supplied weapons system targeted a unit from Russia's Chuvashia Republic, it has been reported.

www.newsweek.com

Not sure what was used but given the level of devastation it could be another ATACMS strike.

 

[bingham67]

Apparently it was a Himars strike and videos of the aftermath out there pretty big hit that, apparently the same lot were all dancing and celebrating days ago.

 

[Grim5]

I want to say it's not atacms but I don't really know

Ukraine will not receive many atacms missiles so it's best to save them for high value targets and a small training ground is not high value

 

[Orangeade]

Inside Volodymyr Zelensky’s Struggle to Keep Ukraine in the Fight

“Nobody believes in our victory like I do. Nobody,” Zelensky told TIME in an interview after his trip to Washington, D.C.

time.com

Absolutely damming interview article around corruption etc.

 

[Rroff]

One of the worst and IMO truest comments there on Western support: "They have left him without the means to win the war, only the means to survive it."

I find it grotesque how little comprehension there seems to be of the bigger picture here.

I don't think there is a "a new strategy, a new message" - Ukraine is merely surviving right now and even at this point I don't think the consequences of them losing is really being comprehended in the West.

 

[bingham67]

One of the worst and IMO truest comments there on Western support: "They have left him without the means to win the war, only the means to survive it."

I find it grotesque how little comprehension there seems to be of the bigger picture here.

I don't think there is a "a new strategy, a new message" - Ukraine is merely surviving right now and even at this point I don't think the consequences of them losing is really being comprehended in the West.

Trying to play the game of a stalemate sadly, hoping Russia will eventually give up dosnt look likely though.

 

[Rroff]

Trying to play the game of a stalemate sadly, hoping Russia will eventually give up dosnt look likely though.

Touching on your post a few back - I don't think Putin cares how many of his countrymen die and it'll likely take a far more than have died or gone home wounded so far before there is any kickback from the public especially as so far they've leant more towards draining out the less affluent far eastern regions.

Whether Russia will run out of time on replacing battlefield equipment losses remains to be seen - the current rates aren't sustainable.

 

[ubersonic]

Whether Russia will run out of time on replacing battlefield equipment losses remains to be seen - the current rates aren't sustainable.

The big problem now is, they're not indefinitely sustainable, but they are sustainable for the foreseeable future, I.E they can sustain the current loss rate of tanks into 2025 at least. I didn't think it was possible before but now with the wests attention potentially turning towards Israel/Hamas conflict, I worry there is actually a real possibility that western interest in helping Ukraine against Putin may go the way of western interest in helping the Syrian rebels against Assad

 

[edscdk]

With any luck the Kurch bridge is hit by Christmas.

Promoted to submersible bridge I hope

 

[Minusorange]

With any luck the Kurch bridge is hit by Christmas.

It doesn't matter anymore, we're at a stalemate, Russians are too heavily fortified for anything to make a difference apart from a massive zerg, trench to trench at a huge cost of life that sadly nobody wants to pay

 

[Rroff]

It doesn't matter anymore, we're at a stalemate, Russians are too heavily fortified for anything to make a difference apart from a massive zerg, trench to trench at a huge cost of life that sadly nobody wants to pay

If they had more plentiful supplies of artillery and relevant ammo as well as medium range air-defences they'd stand a better chance of being able to work on those defences, one of the problems at the moment is having to charge into minefields, etc. without time to work on them, to avoid being fixed by Russian artillery response.

 

[Minusorange]

If they had more plentiful supplies of artillery and relevant ammo as well as medium range air-defences they'd stand a better chance of being able to work on those defences, one of the problems at the moment is having to charge into minefields, etc. without time to work on them, to avoid being fixed by Russian artillery response.

Not much chance of that now though with things about to kick off in the middle east and Xi's intent to make Taiwan China by 2025, US and allies need to seriously ramp up military production

 

[Stumble Bum]

Inside Volodymyr Zelensky’s Struggle to Keep Ukraine in the Fight

“Nobody believes in our victory like I do. Nobody,” Zelensky told TIME in an interview after his trip to Washington, D.C.

time.com

Absolutely damming interview article around corruption etc.

Written by a Russian.....

 

[steve45]

One of the worst and IMO truest comments there on Western support: "They have left him without the means to win the war, only the means to survive it."

I find it grotesque how little comprehension there seems to be of the bigger picture here.

I don't think there is a "a new strategy, a new message" - Ukraine is merely surviving right now and even at this point I don't think the consequences of them losing is really being comprehended in the West.

I dont think its a lack of comprehension. I just think Western governments have a different motivation and possible end game for this conflict. Tie down and degrade the Russian military to beyond breaking point and ruin the Russian economy at least cost to the West. With little more than token gestures to keep Ukraine in the fight, only JUST ahead of the curve.

 

[ICDP]

The big problem now is, they're not indefinitely sustainable, but they are sustainable for the foreseeable future, I.E they can sustain the current loss rate of tanks into 2025 at least. I didn't think it was possible before but now with the wests attention potentially turning towards Israel/Hamas conflict, I worry there is actually a real possibility that western interest in helping Ukraine against Putin may go the way of western interest in helping the Syrian rebels against Assad

The European countries will need to take a lot more responsibility to keep Ukraine supplied. If not then they can watch as Russia bites off more and more of Eastern Europe.

 

[Rroff]

I dont think its a lack of comprehension. I just think Western governments have a different motivation and possible end game for this conflict. Tie down and degrade the Russian military to beyond breaking point and ruin the Russian economy at least cost to the West. With little more than token gestures to keep Ukraine in the fight, only JUST ahead of the curve.

Problem is Ukrainian man power isn't infinite, trying to turn the conflict into a large, almost frozen, stalemate isn't going to work and Ukrainian ability to fight is going to be degraded before Russia under those circumstances.

 

[I_M_Weasel]

Trying to play the game of a stalemate sadly, hoping Russia will eventually give up dosnt look likely though.

They left Afghanistan and had suffered far fewer casualties and much less economic damage.

 

[steve45]

Problem is Ukrainian man power isn't infinite, trying to turn the conflict into a large, almost frozen, stalemate isn't going to work and Ukrainian ability to fight is going to be degraded before Russia under those circumstances.

No but then as we have seen time and time again, the west keep coming up with the right tool just to keep them in the fight and I see this being the norm for a long time.

 

[Nate75]

Problem is Ukrainian man power isn't infinite, trying to turn the conflict into a large, almost frozen, stalemate isn't going to work and Ukrainian ability to fight is going to be degraded before Russia under those circumstances.

And Russia know this...

Just a quick copy and paste from MSM but if Trump gets in, then, well I don't know what the outcome will be for this war.

Russia will keep being Russia right.

Anyways,

"In a ‘contingent election’, he could lose the popular vote, electoral college and all his legal cases and still end up the legal US president"

"The American people, however, can be awfully forgiving. In current polling, Joe Biden and Donald Trump are tied nationally; no Republican nominee has emerged to challenge Trump. But, as we have been learning pretty much continuously since 2000, the will of the majority of the American people no longer matters all that much in who is running their country."