Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[ubersonic]

Couldn't really say - the Gripen is very digital, compared to the stuff like MiG-29s which are very analogue - so probably quite rapid conversion for those pilots used to modern hardware but maybe a struggle for the more old school pilots.

The biggest problem when converting from Warsaw pact aircraft to western style aircraft is getting used to the different instruments.

The worst being the attitude indicator (AKA the horizon ball). Because on a western plane you have a glass ball with a horizon bar fixed on the centre and inside the ball you have a floating horizon that moves relative to the bar (plane) to show you which way the plane is banking/diving/climbing. But on a Warsaw pact plane you have a glass ball with a horizon fixed inside it and a floating bar (plane). It may sound like a small difference but over the years there have been numerous incidents of pilots who are either used to or simply originally trained on Warsaw pact instruments turning their western aircraft the wrong way and sometimes even crashing as a result.

*EDIT*

This explains it far better than me:

 

[bingham67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719812775961120995

As been discussed really it put up or watch Ukraine fall sadly

 

[alchal]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719812775961120995

As been discussed really it put up or watch Ukraine fall sadly

Unfortunately, probably the later.

Italian pm was hacked and stated nations were growing tired of it all.

Heck we can't even be bothered in the west to look after our own armed forces despite China/Russia/Iran actions/threats.

It's criminal.

 

[Rroff]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719812775961120995

As been discussed really it put up or watch Ukraine fall sadly

Yeah I really think though unspoken there is a political leaning towards the conflict becoming like the 2014 one did, hoping to freeze it more or less with minimal inconvenience and reduced cost to the West... and that likely isn't going to work as with the setup this time the attrition of men will be higher and unsustainable, even though that probably suits those outside of Ukraine and Russia right now - especially Russia as it buys them time to get stuff like tank production back up to speed and sanctions will ease and/or ways around them open up more as the focus moves away.

While it won't be the same as if Russia had overrun Ukraine with ease in the first place it doesn't lead to a good long term situation.

EDIT: Maybe we'd get lucky and some of the old guard die off and a different political environment develops in Russia but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[supafly]

Perhaps Germany would like to be divided again, because that is the way things are going.

 

[alchal]

It's baffling how stupid and blindingly short sighted politicians are.

Downside of democracy.

China and Russia are playing the long game.

 

[bingham67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719652317874540891

Old Putin been scraping the barrel

 

[bingham67]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719845481876971606

Just wow another few months of this for Russia then what will they roll out then some ancient relics?

 

[russ9898]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719845481876971606

Just wow another few months of this for Russia then what will they roll out then some ancient relics?

That ratio really is staggering.

 

[Harlequin]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1719845481876971606

Just wow another few months of this for Russia then what will they roll out then some ancient relics?

And AFU are on the offensive!

 

[alchal]

And AFU are on the offensive!

I assume it's including the cluster fudge of recent russian attacks.

Unfortunately for Ukraine, they just keep coming in none stop waves.

 

[Goksly]

I suppose another important angle is people lost... On the videos I've seen, when the Russian equipment goes, all lives are lost. For the AFU a lot seem to walk away.

 

[Nate75]

I suppose another important angle is people lost... On the videos I've seen, when the Russian equipment goes, all lives are lost. For the AFU a lot seem to walk away.

Yeh pretty sure I read on here a while back that Western tanks are built with a certain amount of safety for the crew in mind and this is not the case for Russian tanks (probably a @Rroff post?).

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Yeh pretty sure I read on here a while back that Western tanks are built with a certain amount of safety for the crew in mind and this is not the case for Russian tanks (probably a @Rroff post?).

Yes its no secret NATO (western) value our soldiers and as such most equipment has that in mind. Barrel usage is another example.
X rounds then inspect and probably replace (maybe remanufacture). Russia use them until they fail.

Most western gear with explosives in bulk have blow out panels. Which vent to the outside. The crew may get some impact from this but its not the same as all the tank round explosives going off at once inside the tank.

 

[peterwalkley]

There's some very simple maths here. Building a replacement soldier takes ~18 years, building a tank ... a lot less.

 

[EddScott]

To be clear, I'm all in for UA. Having been many times I would quite happily give them every weapon in the UK to help the cause.

However, could it not be the case that one possible ceasefire deal be that the previously seized land becomes some kind of DMZ whilst the remainder of UA joins NATO and EU?

It would not surprise me if that is what Trump has as his "end the war in 24 hours" claim. Gives RU and Putin a way out without losing too much face and gives UA security that any further encroachment wouldn't just be a UA response but a full NATO response.

Like I said, if they want to keep going until all of UA is back under their control then no problem, we continue support. Just an idea...

 

[ArcticHeron]

Such capitulation is likely too far gone now and would leave the sourest of tastes in the mouths of everyone except Russia. The longer this goes on the more it feels like it's an all or nothing end game. Perhaps it could be worked if similar guarantees could be made for Moldova and we could guarantee a role back of nuclear arms in Belarus, but I think even that would be a hard pill for the West to swallow (whilst Ukraine wishes to fight on, at least).

 

[Rising]

To be clear, I'm all in for UA. Having been many times I would quite happily give them every weapon in the UK to help the cause.

However, could it not be the case that one possible ceasefire deal be that the previously seized land becomes some kind of DMZ whilst the remainder of UA joins NATO and EU?

It would not surprise me if that is what Trump has as his "end the war in 24 hours" claim. Gives RU and Putin a way out without losing too much face and gives UA security that any further encroachment wouldn't just be a UA response but a full NATO response.

Like I said, if they want to keep going until all of UA is back under their control then no problem, we continue support. Just an idea...

Right up to the next day when Trump pulls the US out of NATO?

 

[the wopster]

Right up to the next day when Trump pulls the US out of NATO?

Not going to happen fella, Congress changed the rules to protect against that, now no president can unilateral decide to pull the US out of NATO

 

[EddScott]

Such capitulation is likely too far gone now and would leave the sourest of tastes in the mouths of everyone except Russia.

I don't disagree. I guess it would just not be palatable to the people of UA to give up the fight. It's just at some point I think hard decisions are going to need to be made.

Right up to the next day when Trump pulls the US out of NATO?

Stranger things have happened but I don't believe Trump would actually do this. And even if he did, the combined force of those remaining would still make a formidable opponent.