Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[Colonel_Klinck]

Watch: Russian warship sunk in suspected Storm Shadow missile attack

Four killed after Ukrainian jets fire what are believed to be British-made weapons at amphibious navy vessel in Crimean port

www.telegraph.co.uk

scroll down to the before and after day light photo

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https://archive.is/KptmU

 

[Roar87]

Blowing up a Russian ship is great, but didn't they lose a town? I don't see how blowing ships up helps if they're losing on the ground.

 

[Abraxaz1]

Blowing up a Russian ship is great, but didn't they lose a town? I don't see how blowing ships up helps if they're losing on the ground.

Are you. Just autistic or are you a true tankie?

A town vs 20% of a fleet?

A town that’s been wrecked by bombardment and a now completely non strategic in any function bar a waypoint for artillery bracketing?

I’d go for the humiliation of loosing 20% of your fleet vs a nation with no navy? Or a the fact that a nation with 1/10th population is holding a much larger nation to a stalemate despite the obvious disadvantages?

Russia is humiliated against its rivals and even worse against its allies? Blood is in the water, china senses this as does the Middle East.

 

[NickK]

Blowing up a Russian ship is great, but didn't they lose a town? I don't see how blowing ships up helps if they're losing on the ground.

now russia probably needed the ammo that was in the ship to keep it..

 

[peterwalkley]

On a balanced note I see reports that putin has claimed a village. So that have made a steppe.

Fixed to take Russian inflation and propaganda number padding into account.

 

[Roar87]

Are you. Just autistic or are you a true tankie?

A town vs 20% of a fleet?

A town that’s been wrecked by bombardment and a now completely non strategic in any function bar a waypoint for artillery bracketing?

I’d go for the humiliation of loosing 20% of your fleet vs a nation with no navy? Or a the fact that a nation with 1/10th population is holding a much larger nation to a stalemate despite the obvious disadvantages?

Russia is humiliated against its rivals and even worse against its allies? Blood is in the water, china senses this as does the Middle East.

Oh I know Russia is humiliated, we've all seen that, but Ukraine is losing ground and then seemingly blowing a stationary ship up for a news story. I don't think anyone thinks Russia can fight a war after this, I just think the resources would be better spent fighting for territory.

 

[steve45]

Oh I know Russia is humiliated, we've all seen that, but Ukraine is losing ground and then seemingly blowing a stationary ship up for a news story. I don't think anyone thinks Russia can fight a war after this, I just think the resources would be better spent fighting for territory.

Thats precisely what the likes of Stormshadow is for though precise targeted strikes on strategic high value targets. By using the Stormshadows like this, they are denying Russia the strategic use of Crimea. They are reducing/denying the use of it as a port for Black Sea Fleet. Striking vital supplies/logistics.
They have much more appropriate weapons for the fight on the front. Using these hugely valuable weapons on the front against soft squishy targets and small amounts of armour would be a huge waste of resources.
Strikes like the one above are much more effective both militarily and a huge morale/propaganda win for Ukraine. These types of attacks are they type that have knock on effects like having Generals/Admirals fall out of windows.

 

[jigger]

Here come the comrades to de-humiliate the Kremlin. I’m sensing lots of deliberation went into how to handle this. In 5 days Vladolf has lost a significant ship, 5 of Russia best aircraft, hundreds of millions in arms and likely a naval port, but he did win a couple of dozen piles of rubble, let us not forget men.

 

[Roar87]

Here come the comrades to de-humiliate the Kremlin. I’m sensing lots of deliberation went into how to handle this. In 5 days Vladolf has lost a significant ship, 5 of Russia best aircraft, hundreds of million in arms and likely a naval port, but he win a couple of dozen piles of Rubble. Lets us not forget men.

I think using the Patriots like that was smart. I think blowing up an already disabled landing craft in port is pretty meaningless, yet it's front page news, where as the fact they've actually lost the fighting on the ground isn't being mentioned too much. This is why people think Russia are losing.

 

[jigger]

I think using the Patriots like that was smart. I think blowing up an already disabled landing craft in port is pretty meaningless, yet it's front page news, where as the fact they've actually lost the fighting on the ground isn't being mentioned too much. This is why people think Russia are losing.

Russia are losing, must be a couple billion dollars lost this week for Russia.

You literally said a post ago the missiles would have been better used saving piles of rubble. Seriously your love for Russia must know no ends.

 

[NickK]

I think using the Patriots like that was smart. I think blowing up an already disabled landing craft in port is pretty meaningless, yet it's front page news, where as the fact they've actually lost the fighting on the ground isn't being mentioned too much. This is why people think Russia are losing.

I think it’s more the contents..

It’s not something you can easily take back either.

 

[Harlequin]

I think using the Patriots like that was smart. I think blowing up an already disabled landing craft in port is pretty meaningless, yet it's front page news, where as the fact they've actually lost the fighting on the ground isn't being mentioned too much. This is why people think Russia are losing.

its not already disabled, sat images show it only arrived in port 2 days ago. Very active until today.

 

[Malevolence]

I think blowing up an already disabled landing craft in port is pretty meaningless,

What the hell are you on about? The ship in question wasn't 'already disabled', it had just arrived in port and was laden with arms supplied by Iran, hence the huge **** off secondary detonation.

 

[NickK]

I see putin is now brainwashing mothers of tomorrow’s Putler’s Youth.

This is the same guy that exterminated kids in a church.

 

[NickK]

What the hell are you on about? The ship in question wasn't 'already disabled', it had just arrived in port and was laden with arms supplied by Iran, hence the huge **** off secondary detonation.

Iranian product blew up Putin’s battleship..

What we don’t heat about is putin’s subs .. I suspect they could go missing and putin would be none the wiser.

I foresee 2024 will be a balancing of new arms production, “just in case”.

 

[Stumble Bum]

I think using the Patriots like that was smart. I think blowing up an already disabled landing craft in port is pretty meaningless, yet it's front page news, where as the fact they've actually lost the fighting on the ground isn't being mentioned too much. This is why people think Russia are losing.

 

[Allnamestaken]

Blowing up a Russian ship is great, but didn't they lose a town? I don't see how blowing ships up helps if they're losing on the ground.

Oh I know Russia is humiliated, we've all seen that, but Ukraine is losing ground and then seemingly blowing a stationary ship up for a news story. I don't think anyone thinks Russia can fight a war after this, I just think the resources would be better spent fighting for territory.

Do you undertand the idea of denial of resources?

This kind of attack, the destruction of supplies directly helps them in the long run.

You can't be this naive surely.

 

[Grim5]

Roar is a military expert, something something my uncle was in the British military, now I'm an expert at geopolitics and war

 

[Grim5]

As for the cost of these losses. It's hard to find an exact number for the older ships, but these days it's costing Russia $600 million to build new landing ships. As for the planes, it costs $50 million for a new SU-34 and $30 million for a SU-30m.

So totaling that up. 50m x 4 plus 30m x1 plus 600m x1 = $830 million of losses in the last 5 days. This number excludes the cost of the ammunition that would have been lost on the ship and excludes the cost of missiles the planes storing when they were destroyed. Including the cost of ammunition could bring the total to over $1 billion

 

[Abraxaz1]

Roar is a military expert, something something my uncle was in the British military, now I'm an expert at geopolitics and war

Odd he comes across as a modern warfare specialist.

Doubt he’s seen ****.

I’ve seen **** and I’m not a ******* tactical specialist, best i could do is tell you how to build a fob, call in artillery and liaise with the Americans. Plus I’m pretty good at driving the cvrt scimitar.

That’s the problem with the internet, opinions get mixed with facts, and there’s no way of telling who actually knows ****.

Ukraine is a one of a kind, we’ve never seen a organised defence vs a “super” power. Afghanistan vs the west was a mixture of disorganised defence vs the west and the wests stupid roe, same with Iraq. ( guy can fire a rpg at you but as soon as the round leaves the tube he is a non combatant stupidity)

If Ukraine doesn’t hold / stop Russia they will start either ******* with Georgia again or attack the baltics within the year, which in turn will give china the confidence to attack Taiwan as the west will have been proven weak.

The west has ducked up massively by relying on key industries for its armament m, the 155mm rounds shortage is proof of this. We should be replenishing stocks every 5 years but we wait until it’s just about to run pay its use by date then organise a stupid weekend of training to get rid of the rounds.

Currently in my opinion the west is lacking in the following sectors;
* cheap drone defence, the fact we are scavenging gephards from across the world, and we are currently in the uk relying on the stormer hvm… a system designed to kill fast attack aircraft or pop up helicopters
* beyond the horizon kill capabilities, we don’t have fpv drones or their like, all our anti tank /armour is reliant on line of sight. The west relies to greatly on air superiority and its ability to destroy energy air defence capabilities m.