Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar
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Soldato
No one is surprised that you are trying to spin losing a landing ship loaded with supplies from Iran as not as bad as losing a pile of rubble that used to be a town.
sorry a little drunk, stress is causing me a little issue at the moment.
But in modern warfare a city is not a strategic location, it’s not the 15th century where you can plunder it for much needed resources.
A strategic position in attrition warfare is;
Non floodable ground you can dig in with no clear reconnaissance markers, think woodland on a hillside
Rail heads / road networks
Shipping ports
Airports
A city is a ******* nightmare to fight in, it either had multiple hostile waiting to ambush you at every corner or in Ukraine situation it’s an easy location/target for artillery bracketing. If you want a clear example of how **** it is holding a clear definable location during an attritional war situation have a look a the Ypres salient during ww1.
Also what they don’t tell you is if a artillery shell lands in a confined city setting it doesn’t embed its fragments in the walls, instead it bounces theses fragments down the alleyways and roads causing a 100m kill radius to be become a 300m kill radius. It’s why the Russians developed 220mm mortars to level / siege cities
But in modern warfare a city is not a strategic location, it’s not the 15th century where you can plunder it for much needed resources.
A strategic position in attrition warfare is;
Non floodable ground you can dig in with no clear reconnaissance markers, think woodland on a hillside
Rail heads / road networks
Shipping ports
Airports
A city is a ******* nightmare to fight in, it either had multiple hostile waiting to ambush you at every corner or in Ukraine situation it’s an easy location/target for artillery bracketing. If you want a clear example of how **** it is holding a clear definable location during an attritional war situation have a look a the Ypres salient during ww1.
Also what they don’t tell you is if a artillery shell lands in a confined city setting it doesn’t embed its fragments in the walls, instead it bounces theses fragments down the alleyways and roads causing a 100m kill radius to be become a 300m kill radius. It’s why the Russians developed 220mm mortars to level / siege cities
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Well, a single SU-34m is 70 million plus VAT. 5 experience pilots lost, 5 crash recovery efforts, a ship full of weapons (a singular cruise missile is a million) salvage of the ship, although it looks as if the Ukrainians have kindly relocated everything above the waterline to the surrounding areas for the Russians.
That’s before all the usual losses over 5 days.
It isn't really that the town has anything of value, it's just an indicator that Ukraine can't hold back Russian advances on the ground, this is a war over territory so that kind of thing matters.
Russian landing ship Novocherkassk - Wikipedia
This is the ship they blew up, to the guy telling me it wasn't disabled
That's why it wasn't moved to the same port as the rest of their fleet.
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The sinking of this ships, denial of safe naval ports/bases and logistics chains to the front matters less than sending men to the meat grinder over a pile of rubble… Remember men, this nugget of military tactics gold was revealed to you in post #80,368
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Also remember the sacrifices Russia made to take Bakhmut. It practically cost them Wagner, and they never advanced a single town further afterwards, but to some that's a victory I guess.
Soldato
It isn't really that the town has anything value, it's just an indicator that Ukraine can't hold back Russian advances on the ground, this is a war over territory so that kind of thing matters.
Russian landing ship Novocherkassk - Wikipedia
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This is the ship they blew up, to the guy telling me it wasn't disabled
That's why it wasn't moved to the same port as the rest of their fleet.
Bless you
Sat photos are here showing it is very very active :
Ropucha-class Landing Ship Novocherkassk Confirmed SUNK By Storm Shadow in Photo
A new photo of the Novocherkassk shows it under water and badly burned as a result of a Storm Shadow strike of Feodosia, Crimea. The Novocherkassk is a Ropuc...
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The impact of a wreck on a port is it also disrupts the use of the ley side, the cranes and stores.
The key aide has a certain draft and you can’t have debris that can entangle or damage shipping, that tidy up takes time. It’s not a simplw thing to open up another area of key and magic the cranes into position etc.
What looks like a free key may need dredging before it can be used to heavy shipping.
i suspect that both sides have throttled back their war effort - putin’s troops don't have training or arms, which supports my point. I get a feeling that putin will stockpile until the period leading up to the “election” when he will use the stoxkpiles as PR.
I’m wondering hiw many “issues” iran is having militarily in terms od arms/drone production.
The key aide has a certain draft and you can’t have debris that can entangle or damage shipping, that tidy up takes time. It’s not a simplw thing to open up another area of key and magic the cranes into position etc.
What looks like a free key may need dredging before it can be used to heavy shipping.
i suspect that both sides have throttled back their war effort - putin’s troops don't have training or arms, which supports my point. I get a feeling that putin will stockpile until the period leading up to the “election” when he will use the stoxkpiles as PR.
I’m wondering hiw many “issues” iran is having militarily in terms od arms/drone production.
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So Im guessing in the next coming days Putarse will target hospitals and kindergardens for payback.... and we will still have pro-russian apologists sprouting ~~~~
The fact that another nearby ship also took enough damage to sink, would suggest other ships in the nearby port area that didn't sink may still have taken damage as well - we've seen plenty images now showing parts of the ship's hull laying in streets, on top of building and in people's yards up to 1km away from the port, so those other ships could have been hit with shrapnel as well
It's a very complicated subject, but to condense it as much as possible without losing important context:
Basically Crimea was a part of the Russian SSR that the leader of the USSR gifted to the Ukrainian SSR in the 1950s (something the Crimean ASR protested about until those in charge were told to shut or or Gulag lol), it was a completely propaganda action as he was just moving it from being assigned to one part of the USSR to being assigned to another part of the USSR, both belonged to Moscow. In name it was part of Ukraine however that didn't actually become a reality until the 1990s when the Ukrainian SSR left the USSR and became a country with the same borders.
The new Russian Federation then signed treaties/memorandums/etc with Ukraine acknowledging those borders and agreeing to absorb Ukraine's share of the USSR's debt, but with some agreements thrown in, one was that Ukraine surrender it's nuclear weapons to Russia along with its Tu-22M and Tu-160 bombers, another was that Ukraine surrender it's claim to the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier which Russia had stole from Ukraine during the fall of the USSR (no joke the Kremlin ordered the Russian captain to kick off all the non Russian crew and sail it to Russia despite it not even being fully completed yet), and a final one was that Ukraine would permanently lease to Russia all the Soviet navy/army bases in Crimea (sort of similar to how Britain used to control Hong Kong). NB: That's how they were able to take over Crimea so easily in 2014, their military was already there.
And that's essentially the problem for Russia, because they had lifetime use of all the military ports in Crimea built by the USSR there was no need for them to spend money they did not have to build new alternate ports in the area, so they didn't.
Indeed.
In a similar vein, it's common knowledge that the 9/11 attacks destroyed WTC 1, 2 and 7 but something those who aren't that educated on it don't realise is that they also destroyed WTC 3, 4, 5 & 6 in addition to causing major blast/fire damage to a dozen nearby buildings which took months to repair.
An explosion that size is going to cause huge collateral damage.
5K is almost a quarter of Lithuania's army, so this will be great for shoring up their numbers, obviously 26K won't stop a Russian invasion much better than 21K but from an international relations point of view it's good for Lithuania and European unity.
An obvious downside is that while it will be a good IR/PR relations boon for Germany it will also be a huge PR boon for Putin and Lukashenko. I can already picture Putin's rant on the Reich once more threatening their western borders
Caporegime
So close... any minute now...!
Caporegime
Woot I live in a military town. Looking forward to all the yanks coming 
Woot I live in a military town. Looking forward to all the yanks coming
You live in Sweden?
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Caporegime
jajamensan!
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