Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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Rroff said:
Though I'm not sure how much is related to Zaluzhnyi but the south was a real shambles which has probably enabled things to go as far as they have, one of the few areas some officials were in Russia's pockets and managed to delay or frustrate efforts to oppose Russia. (I can't remember the name/title now but the official who was supposed to be in charge of raising reserve forces basically just had everyone running around in circles while making sure weapons were kept locked up, etc.).

Though Russian forces from the south were also those most composed of regular forces, despite being less composed of elite units, unlike the north and east they had far less recently mobilised, essentially conscripted, soldiers or fleshed out with Rosgvardia, etc.
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I don't think we will every know what the true story was in the south but in hindsight it was a monumental catastrophe, they had a relatively easy defensible position and Russia just drove right through it. They still had plenty of time to rig the bridges going across the Dnipro but whoever was in charge down there didn't even do that.

Thinking about it a bit the nail in Zaluzhnyi's coffin was that interview he done for the Economist back in September, that would have certainly caused Zelensky problems when going he's going around Europe and the US asking for support only for his own top commander to say they risk entering a stalemate.
 
Rroff said:
One take away from the interview, if Putin himself believes most of what he is saying, regardless of whether he is right or wrong, taking things to their natural conclusion doesn't go to a good place, he has no choice but to double down even if it takes things to a world war.
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It's a good interview, did you come to that conclusion after watching it all?
 
Roar87 said:
It's a good interview, did you come to that conclusion after watching it all?
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I watched about 80% of it, skipping through some bits. Can't say it was a good interview Tucker was largely ancillary to the affair clearly lacking the ability or the circumstances to really get to the meat of any points Putin was making, which was probably a good thing as Putin would clearly have butchered him if it came to an intellectual exchange.
 
Rroff said:
I watched about 80% of it, skipping through some bits. Can't say it was a good interview Tucker was largely ancillary to the affair clearly lacking the ability or the circumstances to really get to the meat of any points Putin was making, which was probably a good thing as Putin would clearly have butchered him if it came to an intellectual exchange.
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Okay, it's just you said that he has no choice but to double down. I didn't get that impression, and he said as much himself that a conflict like that would end humanity or some such.
 
Roar87 said:
Okay, it's just you said that he has no choice but to double down. I didn't get that impression, and he said as much himself that a conflict like that would end humanity or some such.
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He says a lot of stuff but that doesn't mean he won't do something, he said repeatedly in the build up to the 2022 invasion that he wouldn't invade Ukraine and that it would be such a terrible thing to happen for example.
 
Rroff said:
He says a lot of stuff but that doesn't mean he won't do something, he said repeatedly in the build up to the 2022 invasion that he wouldn't invade Ukraine and that it would be such a terrible thing to happen for example.
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Sure but the consequences of each thing are at rather different levels, especially if he expected to take Kyiv in 3 days. Putin understands the consequences of invading Europe, he clearly values the Russian state, if nothing else, too much to see it obilterated in a nuclear war.
 
Roar87 said:
Sure but the consequences of each thing are at rather different levels, especially if he expected to take Kyiv in 3 days. Putin understands the consequences of invading Europe, he clearly values the Russian state, if nothing else, too much to see it obilterated in a nuclear war.
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Yet he is inexorably walking down the same road, reminding the world of the terrible consequences of the next step as if the threat of that will change things despite it so far not working. He can't stop now.
 
Tucker Carlson had his interview with Putin, and conspiracy theorists are already whining that it wasn't enough of a red pill to wake up the normies.

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He's lying.
We know he's lying.
He knows we know he's lying
We know he knows that we know he's lying
And so on..

Probably the only interesting thing about it interview is that it was designed to be delivered to western audiences, most of what Putin says is for internal consumption only.

I haven't watched it and won't waste my time but I have read/seen other people break it down. His point about not attacking Poland or Latvia unless attacked is interesting. In Latvia's case, 40% of the population is ethnically Russian (i.e. speak Russian as a first language - many don't have Latvian passports and are only entitled to Russian ones.) There is a lot of support for Russia in pockets of the country. I suspect Putin's definition of being attacked is rather wide....
 
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I think you should watch it.

I don't think he's actually lying I think he mostly believes what he says, justifying himself and his actions which is even worse.
There's a lot of history 2000/2014 I'd like to know a lot more about Russia/US dealings under that period.
 
Roar87 said:
It's a good interview, did you come to that conclusion after watching it all?
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Shock horror, I never once for a second thought you would post this.

No wait it was the opposite.

Putin works on two levels, simple statements for the low thinking, low IQ.
Hidden messages for those who understand.

When you see posts like the one above, from Clandestine, you know which sorts of people suck up the first and even lick the crumbs off the plate.
 
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