Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

[jigger]

That was against war in general. At the time they still thought that Iraq had WMD, and that Iraq was responsible. Because that was the lie being fed.

People (British) generally thought the U.K. held a lot of responsibility for empowering Sadam and not acting in the 80’s when he slaughtered the Kurds. We also felt we didn’t go far enough in the first gulf war.

Let’s not forget the Iraq’s almost achieved a super artillery system capable of firing NBC shells around 1000 miles right under our nose. Sadam fully intended to harm.

 

[Roar87]

Russia Offered to End War in 2022 If Ukraine Scrapped NATO Ambitions – Zelensky Party Chief

Talks between Ukraine and Russia were marred by a lack of security guarantees, distrust of the Russian regime and the extent of brutality exposed when Russian troops left Kyiv.

www.kyivpost.com

Yeah we can just read the reality from the Ukrainian point of view, not sure why some people feel the need to spread misinformation

 

[HungryHippos]

Most people don't have a critical mind when it comes to war.

I mean you can't exactly take an interview held and staged by Russia, using a pro-Russian "journalist" to ask questions, and social media commentary from a football player as a source for critical thinking.

This is why Russia did this, people will question and probe on what is said, even if most of what is said is rubbish or fantasy.

 

[Sankari]

That was against war in general.

No, it was very specifically against the Iraq War. It was absolutely not about war in general.

At the time they still thought that Iraq had WMD, and that Iraq was responsible. Because that was the lie being fed.

Oustside the US, the public typically did not believe that, which is one of the reasons the protests were so huge. Here in Australia, more than a million people marched in a single day.

Outside the US, public sentiment typically held that their governments were lying about Iraq's WMD. I remember reading the famous 'dossier' released by the British government as justification for the invasion, and saying to myself, 'Is this it? Is this the best they can do?' It was utterly risible.

 

[jigger]

No. He just says 'Poland was un-cooperative.'

Those mean, wilful, uncooperative Poles and their thirst for tyrannical world domination ehh.

 

[Sankari]

Those mean, wilful, uncooperative Poles and their thirst for tyrannical world domination ehh.

Turn your back for just one moment, and they'll steal your borscht!

 

[jigger]

Russia Offered to End War in 2022 If Ukraine Scrapped NATO Ambitions – Zelensky Party Chief

Talks between Ukraine and Russia were marred by a lack of security guarantees, distrust of the Russian regime and the extent of brutality exposed when Russian troops left Kyiv.

www.kyivpost.com

Yeah we can just read the reality from the Ukrainian point of view, not sure why some people feel the need to spread misinformation

You say this as if we don’t understand what Vadolf wants. Stop playing the victimisation, guilt trip, morality cards. People fully understand what Putler is trying to achieve and why he must be denied.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

I see Boris gets a mention for scuppering the deal. I remember when that happened as Boris did one of his blustering interviews dismissing the deal.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1755873969964511236

Most people don't have a critical mind when it comes to war. I remember being in the US just after 9/11 and they were all gung-ho to bomb Iraq, even though it was already clear Iraq/Saddam had nothing to do with 9/11.

The dodgy dossier that Blair and Campbell put forward about weapons of mass destruction. A total lie, and both of them are still promoted in the media.

Boris Johnson scuppering the deal wasn't mentioned a single time in the BBC article that was linked.

The "if this is correct" should have been the giveaway. Its not correct, this war is on Putin, all of it is on Putin and only on Putin. It could end tomorrow with Putin pulling his invading troops out of the sovereign state of Ukraine.

Honestly some of you seem desperate to place the blame on anyone but the one person responsible, Putin. And are you now lapping up his propaganda just as he and Tucker knew you would. Never doubt propaganda works because this is a perfect test case of it effectiveness.

 

[Roar87]

The "if this is correct" should have been the giveaway. Its not correct, this war is on Putin, all of it is on Putin and only on Putin. It could end tomorrow with Putin pulling his invading troops out of the sovereign state of Ukraine.

Honestly some of you seem desperate to place the blame on anyone but the one person responsible, Putin. And are you now lapping up his propaganda just as he and Tucker knew you would. Never doubt propaganda works because this is a perfect test case of it effectiveness.

Are you confused? The Ukrainians themselves have confirmed Boris Johnson scuppered the peace deal. This isn't really a matter of debate for anyone serious, if it was just the Russians saying it then fair enough, but when a high ranking Ukrainian confirmed it as well, then how isn't it correct?

What does the bolded even mean? You say "It's not correct" referring to Boris Johnson scuppering the peace deal, then say the war is on Putin? We're not talking about who's fault the war is.

 

[Sankari]

The Ukrainians themselves have confirmed Boris Johnson scuppered the peace deal.

LOL, read this.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Are you confused? The Ukrainians themselves have confirmed Boris Johnson scuppered the peace deal. This isn't really a matter of debate for anyone serious, if it was just the Russians saying it then fair enough, but when a high ranking Ukrainian confirmed it as well, then how isn't it correct?

What does the bolded even mean? You say "It's not correct" referring to Boris Johnson scuppering the peace deal, then say the war is on Putin? We're not talking about who's fault the war is.

Did you read the article you posted? If so I'd like you to rank the reasons the peace talks didn't work in order of how crucial they were. You can quote from the article

 

[jigger]

The "if this is correct" should have been the giveaway. Its not correct, this war is on Putin, all of it is on Putin and only on Putin. It could end tomorrow with Putin pulling his invading troops out of the sovereign state of Ukraine.

Honestly some of you seem desperate to place the blame on anyone but the one person responsible, Putin. And are you now lapping up his propaganda just as he and Tucker knew you would. Never doubt propaganda works because this is a perfect test case of it effectiveness.

Vladolf: Its not me! It’s the (counting on fingers)… Nazi’s, French, Germans, Poles, Americans, Jews, Irish and Spanish. The British, Japanese, Koreans, Portuguese, Australians, Taiwanese. The Turks… The Colombians, Swedes, Ethiopians, Celts, Greeks, Mongolians and Hawaiians.

Help me Tucker Carlson, you’re my only hope!

 

[Stretch]

Are you confused? The Ukrainians themselves have confirmed Boris Johnson scuppered the peace deal. This isn't really a matter of debate for anyone serious, if it was just the Russians saying it then fair enough, but when a high ranking Ukrainian confirmed it as well, then how isn't it correct?

What does the bolded even mean? You say "It's not correct" referring to Boris Johnson scuppering the peace deal, then say the war is on Putin? We're not talking about who's fault the war is.

Did you actually read the article you posted.

What planet are you on. Serious, leave the internet alone for a while.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Did you actually read the article you posted.

I think we know the answer to that is a firm no.

 

[Stretch]

@Roar87 I'm still waiting for an answer to this btw.... but I know you don't answer. Not coherently anyway. You just move the conversation on to the next round of brain washed tripe.

Explain what you think his stated position is.

 

[Roar87]

I think we know the answer to that is a firm no.

Of course I read the whole article, if you're referring to the Bucha massacre, there wasn't any quote about that from the Ukrainian Minister, that was simply inserted into the article with no reference. I'm really interested in the actual quotes seeing as the interview isn't in a language I speak.

 

[Roar87]

@Roar87 I'm still waiting for an answer to this btw.... but I know you don't answer. Not coherently anyway. You just move the conversation on to the next round of brain washed tripe.

I didn't make a comment on what his stated position was, so why would I need to do that? Someone else claimed something, I said why not take his actual position.

 

[Colonel_Klinck]

Of course I read the whole article, if you're referring to the Bucha massacre, there wasn't any quote about that from the Ukrainian Minister, that was simply inserted into the article with no reference. I'm really interested in the actual quotes seeing as the interview isn't in a language I speak.

No I'm referring to the fact you claim Boris scuppered any peace deal and used that article to prove your point.

 

[Stretch]

Saying the negotiation/deal was scuppered is like saying a woman deserved rape because she wouldn’t offer the rapist sex.

 

[Stretch]

I didn't make a comment on what his stated position was, so why would I need to do that? Someone else claimed something, I said why not take his actual position.

You said this

Have you actually considered listening to his stated position on what he'll do in Ukraine instead of just inventing some fantasy of what you think it is?

We haven’t listened to his stated position because he doesn’t have one. So I’m asking you since you think he does.