Ukraine Invasion - Please do not post videos showing attacks/similar

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dowie said:
It's so odd... I hope they didn't just pile them all up in that warehouse that was hit or just have everything stashed in Lviv/Western Ukraine.

Both not doing anything about the bridges/allowing Russians to advance in single file along them and seemingly not being able to deal with slow/low flying helicopters isn't a good start so far... ditto to the navy being able to see Russian ships but not engaging them with anti-ship missiles.
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I mean we're seeing small snippets here and there, the only people who actually know what's going on (and even then that will be sketchy) are the two countries involved in the conflict along with NATO's respective intelligence gatherers.
 
413x said:
I'm not in slightest interested in what Boris has to say. It will be the completely predictable :

This is really bad
We are supporting how we can
These sanctions are tough
We have more sanctions to come.
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But sanctions that will affect how much goes into my(Boris’s)back pocket won’t be considered
 
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Dave85 said:
Surely if we do nothing it just gives him the bravado he needs he is clearly feeling inadequate and needing to flex his big strong man ego. So who would be next Poland / Finland ?
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I feel your frustration... but imagine if we do something and he said "**** you, I told you not to mess, nuke x10 random nato targets"... it's quite grim. Now sure, I'm being very pessimistic about his reaction, but the man seems deranged to me, and frankly with so much at stake I don't think it's worth it. It's torture seeing a progressive society like Ukraine wanting to break free from Russia be dismantled and destroyed - but it's perilous political "game" - if it goes wrong, no one wins.

This is why nuclear weapon decommissioning can't come soon enough (if anyone actually adheres to the rules - which, lets face it, won't).

I think this will have long term repercussions regardless.
 
Nerusy said:
Probably Ukraine's helis, this is right next to Kyiv.
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They're Russian

Seems the Southern Assault has no defence unless it's by design


dowie said:
It's so odd... I hope they didn't just pile them all up in that warehouse that was hit or just have everything stashed in Lviv/Western Ukraine.

Both not doing anything about the bridges/allowing Russians to advance in single file along them and seemingly not being able to deal with slow/low flying helicopters isn't a good start so far... ditto to the navy being able to see Russian ships but not engaging them with anti-ship missiles.

Edit - wait, those helicopters are surely Ukranian? That's way too close to Kyiv.
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It's very odd, like I said military chicken, Ukraine doesn't want to show their hand so soon ? RU still has a whole lot of rockets & missiles they can utilise on strikes, re: the bridges a lot of units shown over the past week had bridge layers, maybe Ukraine realise it's a waste of resources, maybe their plan is to destroy the bridges after RU has crossed ? No idea in this, it's totally mad
 
Ukraine's troops have been getting UK and US training for years now, hopefully that will help them. After Russian's initial strike I can see things slowing down especially once it starts to go urban and hit and run tactics start to be used.

But I think if Russia starts to take heavy losses and get pushed back, Putin might start threatening nukes to try and save face.
 
Chuk_Chuk said:
Evidence that the west tried to expand their influence? Here is a great link someone posted earlier.
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No, that's not 'the West tried to expand their influence', that's the Ukraine reaching out to the West for a security partnership.

I don't care this doesn't greatly affect the security of the UK. It is unfortunate that there will be bloodshed and people displaced from their homes.
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You're posting an awful lot in this thread for someone who doesn't care, and for some peculiar reason your way of 'not caring' involves blaming the West for everything.

Acting like there isn't a power play going on between two superpowers and this is all one sided aggression is dumb and naive.
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It's definitely all one sided aggression.

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Chuk_Chuk said:
My bad the Nukes are not stuck literally on the dotted line that defines the russian border. :rolleyes:
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So come on then, where are these nukes you're so worried about, and why are you concerned that Western allies host Western army bases, most of which are simply left over from WWII and the Cold War?
 
Freefaller said:
I feel your frustration... but imagine if we do something and he said "**** you, I told you not to mess, nuke x10 random nato targets"... it's quite grim. Now sure, I'm being very pessimistic about his reaction, but the man seems deranged to me, and frankly with so much at stake I don't think it's worth it. It's torture seeing a progressive society like Ukraine wanting to break free from Russia be dismantled and destroyed - but it's perilous political "game" - if it goes wrong, no one wins.

This is why nuclear weapon decommissioning can't come soon enough (if anyone actually adheres to the rules - which, lets face it, won't).

I think this will have long term repercussions regardless.
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This situation is a perfect example of why no country will give up nuclear arms until something better comes along, Nuclear arms pretty much guarantee peace between nations armed with them as war becomes a futile exercise.
 
413x said:
Finland/Sweden is prime candidate
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From what I recall, Soviet plans were always to ignore Swedish/Finnish neutrality anyway, and use their territory to get around NATO's northern flank in the event of the Cold War erupting in a conventional conflict. Hard to think Russia would bother respecting Sweden & Finland's territorial boundaries in such a scenario, and polls have shown that those countries were a lot more receptive to joining NATO than ever before following 2014, let alone now. Plus a lot of their kit is NATO standard/spec as well.
 
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