Under a dealer warranty, should injectors count as part of the engine?

[Removed User 345456]

Why would they go through all the effort of refunding and then trying to sell it again, if they were already in the position of being able to "order the new injectors/any parts it needs for **** all at trade price"

The more likely scenario is:

"Then once you've left, they'll delete all the fault codes, do a quick & dirty bodge fix and put it back on the forecourt and sell it again, hoping the next poor sap to buy it is easier to fob off. Joys of a mainstealer/dealership."

You obviously don't know how it works then. It's cheaper for them to refund him as it won't have been worth very much, versus fixing it with all new everything and giving it back.

They'll just get stuff stupidly cheap new or used, and often have a pile of broken cars that share the same engines/parts out the back to salvage/stock on hand, fix it again and sell it for the same or more. That's how it works with dealerships and main stealers.

You cannot lmfao just wipe fault codes and magically make injectors work again, and a bmw fault code will come up nearly straight away and put it in limp home mode and light up the dash and cut throttle.

 

[Haggisman]

They'll just get stuff stupidly cheap new or used, and often have a pile of broken cars that share the same engines/parts out the back to salvage/stock on hand, fix it again and sell it for the same or more. That's how it works with dealerships and main stealers.

You've said they can get the parts cheap and fix it for cheap. Why would they do this and then have to sell it again (while potentially sitting on the forecourt taking up space and losing value for months), instead of doing this for the OP?

 

[Removed User 345456]

You've said they can get the parts cheap and fix it for cheap. Why would they do this and then have to sell it again (while potentially sitting on the forecourt taking up space and losing value for months), instead of doing this for the OP?

I mean how simple can I make it, pay out for all brand new parts costing them loads more than the value of the car now or when sold and make a huge loss in paying that out?

Or give you back your money, fix it with second hand parts cheapily (which warranty will not do and will want all new OEM everything) and sell it thus still either cover their losses of the refund they issue to him or make some profit on top.

 

[Kenai]

I mean how simple can I make it, pay out for all brand new costing them loads, or give you back your money, fix it with second hand parts cheapily (which warranty will not do and will want all new OEM) and still make a profit reselling it and getting back what refunded him - which will be a pro-rata'ed amount due to him having done more miles since purchase.

I don't think there's an actual third party warranty company involved, rather the dealer has offered their own 'warranty', what with there seemingly being no paperwork beyond the statement of "3 month Warranty covering Engine, Gearbox, Mechanical Breakdown Failure only. £300 claim limit. Warranty does not cover cambelts and tensioners"

 

[Nasher]

They should be giving a full refund or repairing it at their own expense if it's within 6 months. What the warranty says is irrelevant. A bad injector means a CEL and MOT failure, so it's unroadworthy.

If they stone wall you, get a chargeback via the bank (if you paid by CC) for faulty goods and hand them back the keys. Then it's on them to appeal it, but if there is a fault they won't win.

 

[Bint Box]

We have done maybe 1500m since the purchase is mid September 2023 - mostly due to it being either filled with water...

Did you purchase any of the car history checks from the online data services before purchasing the car?

 

[Haggisman]

I mean how simple can I make it, pay out for all brand new parts costing them loads more than the value of the car now or when sold and make a huge loss in paying that out?

Or give you back your money, fix it with second hand parts cheapily (which warranty will not do and will want all new OEM everything) and sell it thus still either cover their losses of the refund they issue to him or make some profit on top.

No need to be so condescending

There is no warranty. The dealer will be responsible for fixing it.

They can:

A) fix it with expensive new parts worth more than the car and lose loads of money.
B) refund the OP, fix it with cheap parts, try to sell it again, with the increased admin, potential loss of value, storage costs etc. that entails.
C) fix it with cheap parts for the OP.
D) refund the OP, not fix it and take the hit for scrapping it.

I'm asking why they would take option B rather than C, and you're giving me reasons why they won't take option A...

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

No need to be so condescending

There is no warranty. The dealer will be responsible for fixing it.

They can:

A) fix it with expensive new parts worth more than the car and lose loads of money.
B) refund the OP, fix it with cheap parts, try to sell it again, with the increased admin, potential loss of value, storage costs etc. that entails.
C) fix it with cheap parts for the OP.
D) refund the OP, not fix it and take the hit for scrapping it.

I'm asking why they would take option B rather than C, and you're giving me reasons why they won't take option A...

C is indeed what most would do

He seems a bit confused since if warranty were fixing it, warranty would be paying for it, not the dealer.

 

[Removed User 345456]

No need to be so condescending

There is no warranty. The dealer will be responsible for fixing it.

They can:

A) fix it with expensive new parts worth more than the car and lose loads of money.
B) refund the OP, fix it with cheap parts, try to sell it again, with the increased admin, potential loss of value, storage costs etc. that entails.
C) fix it with cheap parts for the OP.
D) refund the OP, not fix it and take the hit for scrapping it.

I'm asking why they would take option B rather than C, and you're giving me reasons why they won't take option A...

Why would the dealer be reasonably for anything if there's no warranty It's sold as seen...

I'm telling you because IF there was a legit warranty via a main dealer/dealership of some sort that's signed and has a proper breakdown statement, they do NOT just go fit second hand parts, ANYWHERE main dealer wise, and a claim against warranty with normal dealers/garages again don't fit random second hand parts for the simple reason you cannot garranty they work/wont fail again and the blame be pushed on them, the same with non genuine parts, the same again with most garages won't fit parts you supply, even brand new oem ones, it has got that ridiculous and been like it for years, they want their cut of supplying the parts that they get cheaper (in that last scenario)

I don't get why you think they'd care if there's no warranty paid for or offered, it isn't their problem, it's an old second hand car, it's sold as seen if not warranty/nothing signed/imposed. Do you buy PC parts that are out of warranty off randoms on here or ebay then 3-6 months later moan if they fail cause they're 3-5 years old and been used for years prior to your ownership? This all sounds very poor me and self entitled.

C is indeed what most would do

He seems a bit confused since if warranty were fixing it, warranty would be paying for it, not the dealer.

But they're not, because there is none.

Where is this magic engine warranty coming from for a 14 year old car thats half way through it's life?

As you've said there is NO warranty, so it is just an old sold as scene car from months ago, not their problem.

 

[gc123]

I don't think there's an actual third party warranty company involved, rather the dealer has offered their own 'warranty', what with there seemingly being no paperwork beyond the statement of "3 month Warranty covering Engine, Gearbox, Mechanical Breakdown Failure only. £300 claim limit. Warranty does not cover cambelts and tensioners"

this, when we purchased ours and daughters car, we got a so called gold 6 months warranty with them..... as i told the garage unless something major goes wrong like engine or box you wont see me again as the warranty wasnt worth the paper. 1000 limit per claim and a list in the booklet of things not covered.
oh and first month not covered as dealer had to put right.
he never did see our car, but the daughters ... he knew i was ret auto electrician so allowed me to repair and bill him for work cost him nearly 400 pounds which he payed and he still had to have her car back for split seat belt, heaters not working ie getting hot, oil leak, etc all sorted with a loan vehicle, my only guess is he had a large margin in the vehicle even down to giving 1k more for part ex
that was a large diesel company that has a forecourt with lots of vehicles for sale.

 

[tom_e]

Why would the dealer be reasonably for anything if there's no warranty It's sold as seen...

I'm telling you because IF there was a legit warranty via a main dealer/dealership of some sort that's signed and has a proper breakdown statement, they do NOT just go fit second hand parts, ANYWHERE main dealer wise, and a claim against warranty with normal dealers/garages again don't fit random second hand parts for the simple reason you cannot garranty they work/wont fail again and the blame be pushed on them, the same with non genuine parts, the same again with most garages won't fit parts you supply, even brand new oem ones, it has got that ridiculous and been like it for years, they want their cut of supplying the parts that they get cheaper (in that last scenario)

I don't get why you think they'd care if there's no warranty paid for or offered, it isn't their problem, it's an old second hand car, it's sold as seen if not warranty/nothing signed/imposed. Do you buy PC parts that are out of warranty off randoms on here or ebay then 3-6 months later moan if they fail cause they're 3-5 years old and been used for years prior to your ownership? This all sounds very poor me and self entitled.

But they're not, because there is none.

Where is this magic engine warranty coming from for a 14 year old car thats half way through it's life?

As you've said there is NO warranty, so it is just an old sold as scene car from months ago, not their problem.

What are you on about? If it's bought from an actual business sold as seen is not a thing and warranty or not you've still got your statutory rights under the SoGA to fall back on.

 

[Kenai]

Why would the dealer be reasonably for anything if there's no warranty It's sold as seen...

Assuming you mean responsible - because they're a dealer and you have statutory legal rights when purchasing from a dealer regardless of whether they offer a 'warranty' on the car or not. A dealer can't sell a car to a retail customer 'sold as seen'.

You've completely confused the entire topic of conversation when you started waffling about them not repairing because they'd use all new everything because the warranty that doesn't exist would make them do that.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

What are you on about? If it's bought from an actual business sold as seen is not a thing and warranty or not you've still got your statutory rights under the SoGA to fall back on.

I think hes got no clue to be honest.

Sold as "scene"

 

[Removed User 345456]

What are you on about? If it's bought from an actual business sold as seen is not a thing and warranty or not you've still got your statutory rights under the SoGA to fall back on.

Assuming you mean responsible - because they're a dealer and you have statutory legal rights when purchasing from a dealer regardless of whether they offer a 'warranty' on the car or not. A dealer can't sell a car to a retail customer 'sold as seen'.

You've completely confused the entire topic of conversation when you started waffling about them not repairing because they'd use all new everything because the warranty that doesn't exist would make them do that.

I think hes got no clue to be honest.

Sold as "scene"

Yeah good luck with proving you haven't caused the damage.

You could go over-rev the engine/snap the shafts/drive like an absolute helmet with zero consideration ragging it from cold, leave the bonnet up, the fuel rail cover/rocker cover off etc etc damaging all sorts, and it'd be your fault and there's no way you could prove it wasn't!

So no, there is no way it's 'that' simple just because you think you can take someone to court over anything. You have to prove the damage is a result of them directly, which it ISN'T, it's simply an old high mileage car!

The cars 14 years old, it is what it is. How entitled are you to expect someone else to put their hand in their pocket because you quote a sob story and a law, you 3 sound like con artists.
The OP said there was a limit of £300, I simply said that would barely cover 1 injector, and they wouldn't risk putting second hand ones in for you to come crying back a week later when another 14 year old XXXXX mileage part fails.

They'd simply be better off giving you a refund at that point when you're threatening court and all this nonsense, as the only way to guaranty it lasting awhile would be obviously all new parts, of which will greatly exceed that £300 gesture of good will they offered. Because there is no additional warranty package paid for by the OP all he can do is hope as a gesture of good faith the guy will do what he can in that £300 budget.

But if all 3 of your answers is to just be all cry me a river sob sorry poor me I'll sue you/goto court this law blah blah, that is proper ******* to that guy and his business, considering there isn't an actual warranty policy to cover the required huge amount engine/fuel systems can end up coming to in repairs. So yes it is basically sold as seen, it's an old high mileage car... Talk about entitled and expecting something for nothing sue culture!

How the **** do you expect a 2nd hand 14 year old high mileage car and it's parts to be guaranteed to last every year or even a year through MOT unless everything is new, at that point it'd cost stupid money and the OP wouldn't have bought it, he'd of bought newer. Ridiculous blame pushing woke mindset.

You clearly no nothing about fixing cars or how much it costs or the hours of labour involved nor the motortrade. Ignorance is bliss eh.

 

[sigma]

I think hes got no clue to be honest.

Sold as "scene"

That's the kinda life @grudas lives

 

[tom_e]

Poor dealer having to work within the law cry me a river wah wah wah etc

 

[sigma]

Yeah good luck with proving you haven't caused the damage.

You could go over-rev the engine/snap the shafts/drive like an absolute helmet with zero consideration ragging it from cold, leave the bonnet up, the fuel rail cover/rocker cover off etc etc damaging all sorts, and it'd be your fault and there's no way you could prove it wasn't!

So no, there is no way it's 'that' simple just because you think you can take someone to court over anything. You have to prove the damage is a result of them directly, which it ISN'T, it's simply an old high mileage car!

The cars 14 years old, it is what it is. How entitled are you to expect someone else to put their hand in their pocket because you quote a sob story and a law, you 3 sound like con artists.
The OP said there was a limit of £300, I simply said that would barely cover 1 injector, and they wouldn't risk putting second hand ones in for you to come crying back a week later when another 14 year old XXXXX mileage part fails.

They'd simply be better off giving you a refund at that point when you're threatening court and all this nonsense, as the only way to guaranty it lasting awhile would be obviously all new parts, of which will greatly exceed that £300 gesture of good will they offered. Because there is no additional warranty package paid for by the OP all he can do is hope as a gesture of good faith the guy will do what he can in that £300 budget.

But if all 3 of your answers is to just be all cry me a river sob sorry poor me I'll sue you/goto court this law blah blah, that is proper ******* to that guy and his business, considering there isn't an actual warranty policy to cover the required huge amount engine/fuel systems can end up coming to in repairs. So yes it is basically sold as seen, it's an old high mileage car... Talk about entitled and expecting something for nothing sue culture!

You clearly no nothing about fixing cars or how much it costs or the hours of labour involved nor the motortrade. Ignorance is bliss eh.

The law is pretty clear about it.

And that's the risk the dealer takes buying and selling 14 year old cars.

 

[Mercenary Keyboard Warrior]

Yeah good luck with proving you haven't caused the damage.


You could go over-rev the engine/snap the shafts/drive like an absolute helmet with zero consideration ragging it from cold etc etc damaging all sorts, so there is no way it's 'that' simple just because you think you can take someone to court over anything. You have to prove the damage is a result of them directly, which it ISN'T, it's simply an old high mileage car!

The cars 14 years old, it is what it is. How entitled are you to expect someone else to put their hand in their pocket because you quote a sob story and a law, you 3 sound like con artists.
The OP said there was a limit of £300, I simply said that would barely cover 1 injector, and they wouldn't risk putting second hand ones in for you to come crying back a week later when another 14 year old XXXXX mileage part fails.

They'd simply be better off giving you a refund at that point when you're threatening court and all this nonsense, as the only way to guaranty it lasting awhile would be obviously all new parts, of which will greatly exceed that £300 gesture of good will they offered. Because there is no additional warranty package paid for by the OP all he can do is hope as a gesture of good faith the guy will do what he can in that £300 budget.

But if all 3 of your answers is to just be all cry me a river sob sorry poor me I'll sue you/goto court this law blah blah, that is proper ******* to that guy and his business, considering there isn't an actual warranty policy to cover the required huge amount engine/fuel systems can end up coming to in repairs. So yes it is basically sold as seen, it's an old high mileage car... Talk about entitled and expecting something for nothing sue culture!

You clearly no nothing about fixing cars or how much it costs or the hours of labour involved nor the motortrade. Ignorance is bliss eh.

Nonsense

The law is the law.
Its the sale of goods act and its quite clear.
If the dealer thinks there is a misuse claim then he can defend that.

One of the risks in flipping old cars is that what your selling is not fit for purpose.
You need to make enough over them all to cope with the ones that are bad, or get out of the kitchen if you cannot stand the heat of the fire.

Your talk about new parts is illogical.
Most second hand car dealers will go with breaker parts in effect and pray they get to 6 months.

 

[Removed User 345456]

The law is pretty clear about it.

And that's the risk the dealer takes buying and selling 14 year old cars.

That is ridiculous though, how do you guarantee 14 year old high mileage parts for even a year till MOT, you cannot. Anyone with half a brain that's ever taken apart/fixed ANYTHING knows that.

So you're saying I can buy something, go out and trash it and repeatedly take it back/or them to court and say poor me boo hoo your problem.

Same with rust, it can just appear in a week or a month and be hiding where you can't see it for further time and just write the car off, you could buy it and live by the sea for example where the car wasn't stored before, or drive it in **** weather on salted roads, still isn't the car or the dealers fault? See my point? That is so 1 sided it's ridiculous. You could literally ruin a small family business for example doing that ****.

 

[Kenai]

you 3 sound like con artists.

Says the bloke trying to justify a dealership working on a sold as seen basis It's not the 1980s anymore, consumers understand their rights a little bit better these days.

And despite the rest of all that waffle, you haven't actually managed to explain why they'd refund, repair and resell rather than just repair in the first place, you got yourself so muddled with talking about warranty companies demanding use of new parts even though there's not a warranty I don't think you even understand what your own point was now, never mind be able to explain it to any of us