Underwhelemd by the 'next' generation of consoles and games?

[Larrs888]

I remember when they said the PS3 was going to 1080p blah blah blah and look what we got, very few native titles, even simpler PSN games are mostly 720p.

The thing is resolution is important on LCD screens as they do not scale as well as CRT monitors, therefore an image that is not running at the native resolution of the display, in this case 1920x1080 looks blurry and less crisp. Who runs PC games below their monitors native resolution, not many because the image looks like crap. Forget 4k displays if you want to game on them!

Remember how sharp the Dreamcast looked when it came out pin sharp graphics hook that up to a VGA CRT monitor and it looks better than PS3 games! Even my 360 at launch running on a 1336x758 native TV via VGA looked amazing. They just don't look good on 1080p screens.

After 7-9 years of this I was really expecting this scaling rubbish to disappear in favor of 1080p native games and its looking like we are not getting it, I'd even prefer games to lose some detail in favor of the sharper picture offered by a native resolution. As for Anti-aliasing well..........

Next generation = FAIL

P.S I will however pickup a PS4 at some stage but I'm just a bit disappointed as they really had a chance to shine and I'm used to playing all my games at at least 1920x1080 fo the past few years on my PC, in fact I've been playing PC games well over the 720p resolution for like 15 years or more!. It's hard to look at the PS3 image quality when I play on mine sometimes.

 

[spoffle]

You were quick with the accusations there. Are you gonna retract it then?

 

[rigby93]

Haha sorry wrong person, it was wooden

hahahaha what a funny mistaken attack

 

[Craterloads]

Sorry, my bad.

 

[XeNoN89]

I remember when they said the PS3 was going to 1080p blah blah blah and look what we got, very few native titles, even simpler PSN games are mostly 720p.

The thing is resolution is important on LCD screens as they do not scale as well as CRT monitors, therefore an image that is not running at the native resolution of the display, in this case 1920x1080 looks blurry and less crisp. Who runs PC games below their monitors native resolution, not many because the image looks like crap. Forget 4k displays if you want to game on them!

Remember how sharp the Dreamcast looked when it came out pin sharp graphics hook that up to a VGA CRT monitor and it looks better than PS3 games! Even my 360 at launch running on a 1336x758 native TV via VGA looked amazing. They just don't look good on 1080p screens.

After 7-9 years of this I was really expecting this scaling rubbish to disappear in favor of 1080p native games and its looking like we are not getting it, I'd even prefer games to lose some detail in favor of the sharper picture offered by a native resolution.

Next generation = FAIL

Sounds like you need to just buy a PS4.

 

[rigby93]

Sounds like you need to just buy a PS4.

Please stop

 

[gord]

Thought about being underwhelmed.. then..

 

[XeNoN89]

Please stop

Stop what? He clearly has an issue with games that are not 1080p, so i recommended the console which has the most confirmed 1080p games and the console most likely to be hitting 1080p in multiplat games.

Or are you one of those that wants to recommend the worst choice for somebodies needs because the correct choice isn't the console you are supporting?

 

[MikeTheNative]

This is obviously all conjecture from me but are the new consoles being sold at a loss? When the PS3 and 360 came out they were pretty high tech and MS and Sony were losing quite a bit of money on each unit sold. I don't think that they are operating at such a loss this time round and therefore couldn't afford as such high end components. I'm not saying this is true, just a guess from me about the disappointing performance.

 

[Larrs888]

Thought about being underwhelmed.. then..

Only that the in-game real graphics probably won't look that good, they never do

 

[spoffle]

Calling me ignorant because my opinion is different is just weird, then he goes on to say somehow I'm expressing express authoritative opinions on based solely on your "PC Master Race" membership card. Couldn't be more of a personal attack.

I mean really wtf.

So I can't have a different opinion to you spoffle.

If I had done that I would have got a holiday for sure... Ha you gotta love it..

I am calling you ignorant because the stuff you are posting is ignorant of the truth. You still haven't responded to a question I've asked you about 5 times now.

If the previous generations of consoles were much further on than PCs at the time, then why did the PS3 come out at around the same time as the 8800GTX?

I don't consider your views to be valid opinions because they are not informed, it's just conjecture based on a strong lack of understand what you are talking about.

 

[Davey_Pitch]

Only that the in-game real graphics probably won't look that good, they never do

They're all in game graphics, it even says so 22 seconds in.

 

[rigby93]

This is obviously all conjecture from me but are the new consoles being sold at a loss? When the PS3 and 360 came out they were pretty high tech and MS and Sony were losing quite a bit of money on each unit sold. I don't think that they are operating at such a loss this time round and therefore couldn't afford as such high end components. I'm not saying this is true, just a guess from me about the disappointing performance.

Don't quote me but I think PS4 + 1 game breaks even for sony and ms are making a profit on each xbox one. I'm pretty sure I've read that along the way

 

[XeNoN89]

I am calling you ignorant because the stuff you are posting is ignorant of the truth. You still haven't responded to a question I've asked you about 5 times now.

If the previous generations of consoles were much further on than PCs at the time, then why did the PS3 come out at around the same time as the 8800GTX?

I don't consider your views to be valid opinions because they are not informed, it's just conjecture based on a strong lack of understand what you are talking about.

The PS3 GPU was already out of date when it was released, but this was mainly due to the fact it was a rush job GPU, as a whole it was basically the Cell that kept it further ahead.

The 360 GPU was certainly ahead of the curve in terms of GPU architecture though it was soon overtaken again by the brute force of PC graphics cards.

 

[spoffle]

Stop what? He clearly has an issue with games that are not 1080p, so i recommended the console which has the most confirmed 1080p games and the console most likely to be hitting 1080p in multiplat games.

Or are you one of those that wants to recommend the worst choice for somebodies needs because the correct choice isn't the console you are supporting?

For people that are so bothered about the specs, they just need to get a PC because the specs only matter so much. For anyone who buys a console for the exclusive games, the specs mean little to nothing.

This is obviously all conjecture from me but are the new consoles being sold at a loss? When the PS3 and 360 came out they were pretty high tech and MS and Sony were losing quite a bit of money on each unit sold. I don't think that they are operating at such a loss this time round and therefore couldn't afford as such high end components. I'm not saying this is true, just a guess from me about the disappointing performance.

It's most definitely conjecture. They are reportedly not selling the new consoles at a loss, however this doesn't mean that they couldn't afford such high end components.

This time around, they have gone for standarised hardware, off the shelf if you will that AMD was already producing, so had conducted most of the R&D necessary before hand, with AMD allowing both the CPU and GPU to be in the same package.

This means that Sony and Microsoft (more so Sony) haven't had to sink money in to a load of R&D like they did previously with the PS3 due to the highly customised CPU that the PS3 used, and with things like bluray being a mature standard, the consoles are cheaper to produce without having to compromise on the hardware performance.

 

[spoffle]

The PS3 GPU was already out of date when it was released, but this was mainly due to the fact it was a rush job GPU, as a whole it was basically the Cell that kept it further ahead.

The 360 GPU was certainly ahead of the curve in terms of GPU architecture though it was soon overtaken again by the brute force of PC graphics cards.

The 360 GPU, certainly in terms of single GPU performance, it was however still bested in terms of peak performance but PCs currently on the market at the time, and was very quickly overtaken by new single GPU cards that come out not long after.

The argument from the OP is that the new consoles are "underpowered" and that every console release previous, the consoles have been significantly more powerful than PCs available at the time, which just isn't the case at all.

His main issue hinges around the fact that he is now, able to directly compare the GPU in a console to the GPU in a PC. Everything else is being completely disregarded.

 

[rigby93]

Stop what? He clearly has an issue with games that are not 1080p, so i recommended the console which has the most confirmed 1080p games and the console most likely to be hitting 1080p in multiplat games.

Or are you one of those that wants to recommend the worst choice for somebodies needs because the correct choice isn't the console you are supporting?

Actually I'm getting both so your final point is invalid. But when I say stop I mean stop insinuating that the xbox one is incapable of achieving native 1080p and that if you want that the only console you should get is the ps4. It's simply not true and based on bias

 

[PiKe]

Next gen is a complete snorefest, you can tell when Microsoft are toting useless features like "It starts up faster than your TV".

 

[XeNoN89]

Actually I'm getting both so your final point is invalid. But when I say stop I mean stop insinuating that the xbox one is incapable of achieving native 1080p and that if you want that the only console you should get is the ps4. It's simply not true and based on bias

I didn't say that at all, you just chose to interpret my post that way.

I gave him two facts

1. PS4 has more confirmed 1080p games that XB1
2. PS4 is more likely to be hitting 1080p in multiplat games (we can see this from launch titles)

I didn't even mention XB1 in the post.

 

[rigby93]

Next gen is a complete snorefest, you can tell when Microsoft are toting useless features like "It starts up faster than your TV".

But that would be an impressive feature if compared with my 360 which can take between about 20-30 secs to startup