Unemployed 'must learn English'

platypus · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:12

Jono said:
I agree, although I would go so far as to say that people should be encouraged to learn english just to be here.

Agreed.

fatiain · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:13

triggerthat said:
Whenever I buy something, half the time I get served by someone who cannot hardly speak English. Not helpful.

Oh the ironing.

MNuTz · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:15

one of my polish lads has had the afternoon off lately to go to an english lesson, provided free by the government.

The big boss told my supervisor that if he had time off work again to go that he would face a disciplinary for it, that really ****** me off. We struggle at work with communication anyway, a problem that many of the supervisory staff have put forward and they promise to try and sort it. When one of the lads does something about it he faces a warning or the sack.

Lets just say that i made my boss feel quite small by the time i had pointed all this out, dont think i will be getting that promotion though.

fatiain said:
Oh the ironing.

LOL

wordy · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:15

AJUK said:
If they can't speak English they shouldn't even be here let alone be claiming unemployment benefit.

Absolutly spot on. If they can't even speak english well enough to get a job then they can't be much of a benefit to our country. So in this case I'd say send them all back.

scorza said:
Nice idea in principle, in practice all it will mean is more government dosh for the corrupt language schools.

Well in this case they should be forced to take out a loan for the lessons that they will pay back when they are earning over a certain amount. bit like student loans really

badgermonkey · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:20

fatiain said:
Oh the ironing.

Haha that is the funny time

AJUK · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:24

MNuTz said:
one of my polish lads has had the afternoon off lately to go to an english lesson, provided free by the government.

The big boss told my supervisor that if he had time off work again to go that he would face a disciplinary for it, that really ****** me off. We struggle at work with communication anyway, a problem that many of the supervisory staff have put forward and they promise to try and sort it. When one of the lads does something about it he faces a warning or the sack.

Lets just say that i made my boss feel quite small by the time i had pointed all this out, dont think i will be getting that promotion though.

Your company should employ some of the 1.6 million unemployed native Brits rather than Poles and then you wouldn't have the problem in the first place.

MNuTz · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:27

AJUK said:
Your company should employ some of the 1.6 million unemployed native Brits rather than Poles and then you wouldn't have the problem in the first place.

We dont get many applications from Brits though, those that do usually get a job. According to the HR girl we get about 2 brit applications a month, compared to about 200 polish ones.

I dont care what language they speak, as long as they have basic english, learn fast, and are accurate in their pickings.

AJUK · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:31

MNuTz said:
We dont get many applications from Brits though, those that do usually get a job. According to the HR girl we get about 2 brit applications a month, compared to about 200 polish ones.

I dont care what language they speak, as long as they have basic english, learn fast, and are accurate in their pickings.

Then perhaps the government should be spending the money on actively promoting and encouraging the unemployed Brits to do the work instead of spending the money on language lessons for foreigners that are only here to earn a quick buck that is sent back home to keep the peasants over there.

wordy · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:35

AJUK said:
Then perhaps the government should be spending the money on actively promoting and encouraging the unemployed Brits to do the work instead of spending the money on language lessons for foreigners that are only here to earn a quick buck that is sent back home to keep the peasants over there.

Hmm I don't agree that we should be spending money to get lazy British people off the dole and working for a living. We should be threatening to stop benfits of those who can work but choose to scrounge.

Agree with the rest of what you said though

AJUK · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:37

wordy said:
Hmm I don't agree that we should be spending money to get lazy British people off the dole and working for a living. We should be threatening to stop benfits of those who can work but choose to scrounge.

Agree with the rest of what you said though

Fair enough but we shouldn't be spending it on language lessons for foreigners either!

MNuTz · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:39

AJUK said:
Then perhaps the government should be spending the money on actively promoting and encouraging the unemployed Brits to do the work instead of spending the money on language lessons for foreigners that are only here to earn a quick buck that is sent back home to keep the peasants over there.

do you actually know any foreigners, or are you too racist to make friends with them? Seems your too eager to bash them and stand up for the Brits.

the jobs are there for anyone to take, if the english are too bloody lazy to apply then the companies will be forced to take on foreigners. All my polish lads, even with the language problems with a few of them are good workers and good lads. They are here for as long as possible, they like it here and becoming british, accepting our ways etc.

Your always bashing the foreigners that come over, but have you actually been to a job centre before? id say about 85-90% of the people that visit our local one are not interested in working, at all. The only way our governement could encourage them to work would be to stop all the benefits, and then the majority of them would turn to crime instead of doing a hard days work!

wordy · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:43

AJUK said:
Fair enough but we shouldn't be spending it on language lessons for foreigners either!

Agreed

AJUK · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:46

I know lots of foreigners and as I have been running my own business for seven years I shall take no advice from you on employment issues.

In response to the other issue, yes I do stand up for Brits first, what's wrong with that?

VIRII · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:53

Dolph said:
Sounds totally reasonable to me, should have been implemented a long time ago.

I don't advocate forcing people to learn a language just to be here, but if they expect state support, it's an entirely reasonable proposition.

Surely by living here they are getting state support anyway - NHS, School, Police etc. All of which would be much better served if the person can speak English.

MNuTz · 12 Feb 2007 at 11:57

AJUK said:
I know lots of foreigners and as I have been running my own business for seven years I shall take no advice from you on employment issues.

ooo well good for you! Seeing as you run your own company you must be an expert on employment!

In response to the other issue, yes I do stand up for Brits first, what's wrong with that?

Because you don't know them, your standing up for them based only on their race. The majority of the people you are standing up for could be criminals, drug users or just plain lazy sods, none of which deserve your support.

As an employer, you know that the jobs are out there, they where out there before all the foreigners started flooding the country. If the brits wanted to work so badly, why did we have such high unemployment before?

VIRII · 12 Feb 2007 at 12:03

MNuTz said:
Because you don't know them, your standing up for them based only on their race. The majority of the people you are standing up for could be criminals, drug users or just plain lazy sods, none of which deserve your support.

Isn't that exactly the same when people use "positive discrimination" in employment, for example with race quotas in the police force?

MNuTz · 12 Feb 2007 at 12:06

VIRII said:
Isn't that exactly the same when people use "positive discrimination" in employment, for example with race quotas in the police force?

no, all im doing is trying to show that he is sticking up for people who he doesnt know purely based on race. Im just saying that they 'could' be people like that.

I will admit that there are unemployed brits who are desperate to get work, and im sure some of the foreigners who come over are lazy drug taking criminals. However, my point is that we should only judge the people we know and not stick up for those we dont.

When i get a new staff member, whether they are foreign or english i dont sterotype them. I judge them on how hard they work and how accurate they are. I dont give two hoots what race you are.

dirtydog · 12 Feb 2007 at 12:28

MNuTz said:
ooo well good for you! Seeing as you run your own company you must be an expert on employment!

Because you don't know them, your standing up for them based only on their race. The majority of the people you are standing up for could be criminals, drug users or just plain lazy sods, none of which deserve your support.

As an employer, you know that the jobs are out there, they where out there before all the foreigners started flooding the country. If the brits wanted to work so badly, why did we have such high unemployment before?

Being British isn't a race, it's a nationality.

Van_Dammesque · 12 Feb 2007 at 12:30

MNuTz said:
no, all im doing is trying to show that he is sticking up for people who he doesnt know purely based on race. Im just saying that they 'could' be people like that.

I will admit that there are unemployed brits who are desperate to get work, and im sure some of the foreigners who come over are lazy drug taking criminals. However, my point is that we should only judge the people we know and not stick up for those we dont.

When i get a new staff member, whether they are foreign or english i dont sterotype them. I judge them on how hard they work and how accurate they are. I dont give two hoots what race you are.

If we have an open border policy and not put her indigenous population first then country will collapse, both socially and economically.
nationalism =! racism

@AJUK: I agree with every word you have said!

MNuTz · 12 Feb 2007 at 12:46

I never said we should have an open border policy, we should have stricter rules and regs about who is allowed in the country and i do believe that we are being flooded at the moment and something will have to go pop soon.

However, as AJUK pointed out, we have 1.6 million unemployed brits who need encouraging by our governement to get work. If these people need encouraging to find work would you want to employ them?

I certainly wouldnt. This leaves a gap. A gap that is being filled by foreigners who are willing to do the job and work hard. To make things run even smoother and to help business in the UK with their staff they are making people learn english. I cant see the problem, it benefits everyone involved.

The jobs are there for the brits, if all you need to do is speak english to get a job then im sure the majority of them could find one, if they wanted to.