United States Grand Prix 2012, Austin - Race 19/20

How didn't ms get a penalty for the block?

I'm not entirely sure, when they showed a replay of it, it showed them both going across the line and ALonso did a faster lap than he'd done before, significantly faster I thought, so I assume that Schumi was, while it looked slow, actually much faster than it looked, on a hot lap himself or building up to a hot lap and that there wasn't much blocking. THere are just points on the track that its very hard to get out the way without entirely screwing yourself, especially if you want a good lap yourself going slow in the final few corners will ruin your own next lap.

I really didn't watch it closely enough to see if Schumi put in a faster time that lap or not. A HRT "held up" someone for near enough half a lap, but he was on a hot lap, thats life. If Schumi had held him up on an inlap and dived into the pits, that would be punished, but simply being slower than someone else is bad luck for the guy behind, thats why everyone tries to make a big enough gap to someone infront.
 
Please for the sake of all that is holy. Merc offer to buy Newey his own island or something to get him for 2014, imagine a current Newey car with a merc power plant in the hands of Lewis for a season. The way things are atm I can see Vettel winning 4 titles in a row.

Newey is clearly great, but he needs to have a strong team around him who follow his own philosophies. This isn't like the 90's where it's simply a case of a top designer joining a team and turning them into winners - it still took Red Bull 3 years to win at Red Bull after he joined while he built up a team. Looking at Merc at the moment it doesn't even look like they work in the same country, let alone thinking alike.

The Renault engine is fantastic. It's not as powerful as the Merc (again, despite being allowed to catch up a few years ago), but it apparently has advantages in fuel efficiency and it seems they choose to prefer driveability and torque out of the corners than sheer power.

I think Mercedes probably cover all of the bases better, but the Renault suits that Red Bull so well it's unreal. It's a joy watching the drivers hustle the car the way they do, and they wouldn't be able to do that as well with the Merc engine.
 
Dude, new engines in 2014. I'd back Merc to have the best power plant early on with the others catching up later.
 
Arnt merc currently going through the motions of signing new crew and obviously driver. In sure they have been signing engineers etc.
 
Arnt merc currently going through the motions of signing new crew and obviously driver. In sure they have been signing engineers etc.

Wouldn't surprise me if they just went through the motions next year and pin all hopes on a 2014 shake up. Pretty sure this is why Lewis has made the move.
 
Seems I am going to miss this one today, will hopefully catch the highlights later...hopefully there are actually highlights, can see Vettel running away with this one.
 
Arnt merc currently going through the motions of signing new crew and obviously driver. In sure they have been signing engineers etc.

They signed every major designer and engineer they could last year. There can't be many left out there. Since then all they've done is gone backwards. The phrase "too many cooks" come to mind.


Seems I am going to miss this one today, will hopefully catch the highlights later...hopefully there are actually highlights, can see Vettel running away with this one.

10:35pm to 12:25am. Ergh.
 
I wonder if JB will bother starting, he doesn't stand a chance of making the first lap without being bashed.
 
They signed every major designer and engineer they could last year. There can't be many left out there. Since then all they've done is gone backwards. The phrase "too many cooks" come to mind.




10:35pm to 12:25am. Ergh.

Doesn't look like they've gone backwards, the newer exhaust is clearly far superior. They've got two drivers, one with severe bad luck this year and the other under performing. The car is moving forward, but so is everyone else.

WE ultimately don't know whats going on behind the scenes, teams take time to work well together in any situation, a football team, a coding team, a design or engineering team as well. We also don't know who is focusing where, is 95% of Ferrari's work trying to clinch the title this year by focusing on this years car, or 50/50 with next years car, or 20/20/60 this year, next year, 2014 cars? Same goes for Merc, if you know your team needs time, and that they aren't going to pull out a miracle for the car this year, I'd be directing more of their overall time towards the 2014 car.

Frankly if Merc spent all their time on this years car, I don't think they'd beat an established Newey team, even if they were closer to Red Bull or Ferrari, I don't think Rossberg would have stood a chance against them and Schumi probably not either.

Everyone, me included, can guess all we like. ultimately the cars they have in 2014 will do the talking, I'm personally not expecting completely massive things from Merc in 2014, new engines, whoopdedoo. If they had a new engine miles better than everyone in 2009... but they didn't have a double diffuser and everyone else did, they'd have lost, best engine on the grid, a big gain, double diffuser, they'd have been owned in the corners anyway.

Engine is one of many parts, Merc like anyone else, need to get every part of the car right, or at least close enough, to let any engine difference matter. Great engine but RBR having a bunch of other advantages, great engine won't be enough, and of course that assumes that Merc will come up with the best engine.

Hamilton left Mclaren, because Mclaren can't be trusted to produce a winning team. Tactics, nope, team manager, nope, reliable car, seemingly not. Merc might not get any of that right either, the difference is Hamilton knows the current Mclaren team and knows they aren't good enough, he doesn't know the Merc current team, they could work out, they might not. If it doesn't work out, he'll move on again.

If a seat at Ferrari or Red Bull were open I don't think there is a chance he'd have gone Merc, but one of the best seats not being open doesn't mean staying at a team that constantly screws you is the best option. He's trying out Merc, if that fails, he can move on. I'd prefer to try my luck at Merc then jump to Ferrari/Red bull if a seat opens up than wait at Mclaren.
 
Doesn't look like they've gone backwards, the newer exhaust is clearly far superior. They've got two drivers, one with severe bad luck this year and the other under performing. The car is moving forward, but so is everyone else.

They won a race earlier in the year, and while that was unexpected, they were clearly faster than they are now. I realise that Schumacher over-performed the car yesterday, and Nico did in qualifying in Abu Dhabi, but the fact remains that they are further from the front now than they were earlier in the season.
 
The way things are atm I can see Vettel winning 4 titles in a row.

That's what I think, too.

Merc are unlikely to offer any resistance next year.
And McLaren no longer have the drivers capable of taking on Vettel in equal machinery, let alone in a slower car.

This means that Ferrari/Alonso are the only team/driver capable of stopping Vettel next year.

I think it's a travesty for a driver of Alonso's calbire to go year after year without winning a title, mainly because RBR have such a good design & engineering department.
 
So, predictions?

I'm going for:

Vettel
Hamilton
Kimi
Someone
Someone
Alonso

And for the forums to then explode into a sea of "he doesn't deserve it, its all the car"
 
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