United States Grand Prix 2015, Austin - Race 16/19

Steampunk said:
Rosberg's attitude is just awful, and I think he's actually tarnishing the team in a way that other number 2 drivers (eg Massa, Webber, Irvine, Coulthard, etc) never did when they were consistently beaten by faster team mates.
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Webber was *always* whinging when he was getting whipped by Vettel (or team orders).

Coulthard came consistently high up the WDC standings - plenty of 3rds and a 2nd in 2001 when Hakkinen was nowhere near him - definitely not the sort of 2nd driver career that Webber had even though Hakkinen was clearly the better driver of the two overall. Not sure I'd put Coulthard in the same group as Massa, Webber, Rosberg etc personally.
 
People also largely forget that Hamilton probably hurt himself in cooling his tires going too slowly under the VSC to give Rosberg the chance to catch up. If Hamilton was going on the limit then after the VSC Rosberg would have still been 2-3 seconds behind Ricciardo, certainly wouldn't have got him under the restart and would have probably not got back to where he was.

The whole turning not as sharply as he could thing, it could well be if he turned sharper at that point the back end loses grip slides out and takes them both out. Steering angle isn't as obvious as people think, turning more can cause loss of grip which can cause the car to go straight on in the first place. You consistently see all the drivers best and worst(in f1 terms) when the cars go they steer away from the corner to let the tires regain grip before turning in again. It seems counter intuitive but is the reality of driving.

Hamilton had a tighter line due to being inside, he was always going out wide. The question remains why Rosberg decided to put himself where he KNEW Hamilton was going. Regardless of if Hamilton could or couldn't turn tighter(it's likely he couldn't) the end result was Hamilton was going to be on that piece of track so why did Rosberg put himself there.

When Rosberg jumped up the inside in Bahrain Hamilton turned out, took a wider turn then cut in behind Rosberg and got the better exit. Rosberg continually compromises his race by putting his car in the worst place possible. Rosberg himself has pushed Hamilton off the track but 9/10 times hamilton does something more sensible, avoids Rosberg and gets him somewhere else if not in the very same corner.

Hamilton got the better start, had the corner, Rosberg screwed himself needlessly, Hamilton compromised himself and his lead to allow Rosberg to get ahead of the RBRs then later in the race Rosberg threw away a win, again, with a mistake that other top drivers don't make nearly as often.
 
Skeeter said:
So Rosberg is now blaming a gust of wind for causing him to lose the US GP.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121564

The guy is a complete nob. He will litteraly blame everyone and everything before he admits it was his fault.

The onboard shows him just grab too much throttle and light the rears up doesnt it?

Pathetic.
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Haha. Hahahahahaha. What an idiot, he is determined to blame everyone and thing other than himself. He really is a disgrace to the team and it is a shame he is getting paid so much. I really hope Vettel beats him in the championship!
 
that Autosport article said:
He added: "Everybody has it and you can't really use it as an excuse. It's still a mistake, and I understand my mistake now. That's important.

"For me to understand it, that it was a very unusual scenario that happened just once in all those laps, helps me a lot in moving forward as I lost a lot of rear downforce as a result.

"Up until then the race had been going extremely well, I was really feeling comfortable, quick in the circumstances.

"Of course the safety car came out and brought my 10-second lead down to zero.

"I think I did a great race except for one big mistake which cost me the win.

"Unfortunately the big mistake was a costly one, but I'm able to reset. I'm excited to be here, and I want to win. That's it, ready to go."
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Emphasis my own. I've got no great love for Rosberg, but it seems to me as though he admits that it was his stuff-up?
 
Skeeter said:
So Rosberg is now blaming a gust of wind for causing him to lose the US GP.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/121564

The guy is a complete nob. He will litteraly blame everyone and everything before he admits it was his fault.

The onboard shows him just grab too much throttle and light the rears up doesnt it?

Pathetic.
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Indeed. Whilst I have no doubts that a sudden change in wind conditions can affect the aerodynamics of a car, a good driver will be capable of dealing with this and, in all the years I've watched F1, I've never once heard a driver blaming the wind for anything.

I read that, when he blamed the wind, the gathered press started to chuckle a bit, at which point he added "seriously!". I can literally picture that scene in my head - the press basically facepalming and Rosberg totally failing to see how ludicrous his "explanation" was.

He's always been the type to blame anything and anyone other than himself but I'm getting the distinct impression that, having been basically thrashed by Lewis this year and denied the title for the second year running, he's now in full-on denial mode and is searching for anything he can use to convince himself that it's not his fault.
 
JRS said:
Emphasis my own. I've got no great love for Rosberg, but it seems to me as though he admits that it was his stuff-up?
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No, he doesn't. Rather than just saying he made a mistake, he has to try to mitigate it by adding this spurious external factor, as if to say that his "mistake" was caused by the wind and anyone would have been caught out by it.

Rosberg is displaying all the signs of a typical spoiled brat. I think he's had a privileged upbringing and basically had everything handed to him on a plate for his entire life. Now, when he finally reaches the top of his chosen sport and has a seat in the best team by some margin, he's not winning championships and it's just "not fair waaaaah".
 
Skeeter said:
But it wasn't wind was it?
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Without seeing telemetry about downforce levels I wouldn't like to say. Perhaps someone could ask Lewis to post telemetry data to Twitter again? ;)

Skeeter said:
Didnt the onboard show him getting oversteer with too much throttle out of a slow corner?
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Pass. And I'm really not bothered about it all enough to go back and look. It was just that there seemed to be a disconnect between a guy saying that he made a mistake and people on here saying that he wasn't admitting that he made a mistake!
 
Out of interest, just looked up Rosberg's career history prior to F1 and it's hardly stellar.

Won two titles - Formula BMW ADAC in 2002 and then GP2 in 2005. Spent several years driving for his father's teams. Clearly had a very cushy ride into F1 which supports my spoiled brat theory above.

Contrast with Hamilton who didn't have a rich dad with his own racing team and who won titles in all four years leading up to F1.
 
DRZ said:
Webber was *always* whinging when he was getting whipped by Vettel (or team orders).

Coulthard came consistently high up the WDC standings - plenty of 3rds and a 2nd in 2001 when Hakkinen was nowhere near him - definitely not the sort of 2nd driver career that Webber had even though Hakkinen was clearly the better driver of the two overall. Not sure I'd put Coulthard in the same group as Massa, Webber, Rosberg etc personally.
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DC was doing well against MH until the car was good enough for a title. Then Ron did what Ron does best and hate on the driver he considers number 2. DC though was never able to go that bit further when the car was good enough for a title. Webber was better than all those others you mention. Had Red Bull backed him like they did Vettel he would have been champion in the first year against Vettel. They could have made him out of sight of Alonso and given him the title.



Vertigo1 said:
I think he's had a privileged upbringing and basically had everything handed to him on a plate for his entire life. Now, when he finally reaches the top of his chosen sport and has a seat in the best team by some margin, he's not winning championships and it's just "not fair waaaaah".
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Come on Lewis is no different when things aren't going his way. Rosberg is **** and has not carried himself well at all these last few years but Hamilton is equally the cheat and cry baby when it's not in his favour. All the top drivers are. People are looking for any little thing to beat him with now, such has been the boredom of the season. Had Rosberg ran Hamilton off the track on lap 1 you can only imagine the pages and pages that would have been written about him being a cheat.

Hamilton is a ***** also, one that hasn't got near a title again until he got a car 1 second faster than everyone else with a team mate that makes Webber look like Ayrton Senna. If that was Vettel it would be a thing of nightmares the number of times it would be brought up :D

I literally don't know what people expect Rosberg to say "yep I am ****, but I have a contract for another year". Of course he's beaten, defeated and no threat. If he admits that he get's more of a slaughtering, loses one of the best cars ever built and suffers from more poundings.
 
Vertigo1 said:
Clearly had a very cushy ride into F1 which supports my spoiled brat theory above.

Contrast with Hamilton who didn't have a rich dad with his own racing team and who won titles in all four years leading up to F1.
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Yeah that's right Lewis Jenny from the block who is the only karter I have ever seen aged about 7 in F1 racing magazine and with a kart funded by Mclaren.


Funded by Mclaren. His dad was so poor as I saw in the comments on bbc the other day they turned up to karting in a winnebago. :D Don't get me wrong without his obvious talent he wouldn't have risen to the top but all this poor boy from the hoods of stevenage is laughable.
 
Skeeter said:
Lewis was supported by McLaren because he was good though.
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So what was Rosberg then, chopped liver???

Inaugural GP2 champion, in the same car that Hamilton won the title in a year later. But instead of being handed a championship-capable car at the beginning of his F1 career he started out with a Williams team who were a bit past their glory days. He gets himself a seat with Mercedes, helps them to the point where he is/they are race winners....and is promptly pushed down to Number 2 Driver status in favour of a guy who spent a few years failing to replicate his 2008 success.

Mercedes are lucky that the years Lewis spent failing with McLaren didn't damage him as much as the years that Alonso has spent failing to achieve titles have damaged the Spaniard :p
 
JRS said:
He gets himself a seat with Mercedes, helps them to the point where he is/they are race winners....and is promptly pushed down to Number 2 Driver status in favour of a guy who spent a few years failing to replicate his 2008 success.
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He is 'number 2' by his own doing - being slower.
 
So expand on how he was "pushed" to number 2 then?

He is number 2 because he's the second best driver in that team. Being pushed to number 2 would suggest you feel he should be number 1 somehow?
 
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