Universal basic income to be trialled

Semple said:
You can definitely tell someone doesn't work in IT when they think anything computer based can be replaced easily. Maybe very low end data entry, or help desk type roles. But everything else is pretty much a requirement based on complexity, knowledge and skill.

I'll be amazed to see the day that AI can write bug free code, test it, release it, and deal with endless **** from end users who have managed to find ways to break it.

Software bugs even develop over time through complexity. You could have bug free code on day 1, and several years later it's now running into issues just because.
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Lol you better pray ubi is a thing soon or you hit retirement.
Literally first on the chopping block.
 
Lightnix said:
I think like with most stuff to do with machine learning, usually it's good enough to know that it works and the "how it works" and "why it works" are more nice to haves than necessary.

And like with those recommendation algorithms, it can still work most of the time for most people on that basis.
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Yes, but that is a far cry from the super-personal example you originally put forward ;)

You give them a basic description of what you want to see, and they use all of your other info, your social media likes, your other preferences to generate a media that is perfectly compelling to you. The perfect story, the perfect characters, the perfect sad moments, the perfect jokes, the perfect fake bloopers even, the perfect inauthentic sense of authenticity. Like a totally personalised Netflix series that hacks right into your dopamine reward system.
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Stretch said:
I struggle to see a situation where tradesmen are “ok for a while” when there are large numbers of layoffs in other sectors that historically drive much of the demand for tradesman.
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Who’s going to fix your plumbing, lay your patios, wire your house, paint or plaster your walls and all the other things you can’t do?
 
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Doobedoo said:
Who’s going to fix your plumbing, lay your patios, wire your house, paint or plaster your walls and all the other things you can’t do?
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I think the furlough time is a good guide for what will disappear. I mean not a complete guide but maybe a guide nonetheless.

NHS workers, delivery drivers, builders and trades amongst others pretty much worked throughout.

Those complaining about being bored on furlough will probably see their jobs go to AI first.
 
Stretch said:
Assuming I still have a house. I’ll either do it myself or live with it.
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People no doubt will through necessity. I tend to do a lot myself, I always have. I can’t do it better but I can do it and it will be cheaper.

We don’t know what things will look like but people will still have an income and that income is comparable to what people already live on. So we know it can be done. Might need to slum it with the rest of us though. :cry:
 
Trusty said:
What are you on about? :cry:

People don't half go extreme with this stuff. Barring some worldwide natural disaster or nuclear war, the world will be in a better place in 100 years, 500 years time. The trajectory of ourselves is up and up. People have more food, less violence, more freedom, better health, more education than ever before (western world anyway)... Taking the trough of the smaller sine waves over the long term trajectory is daft as ****. No offence or anything :p
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We're talking about a total paradigm change for our entire civilisation, from the only one we've ever known for thousands of years, to something entirely different.

The idea that any of us can predict how we'll get there, how turbulent it might be, and what kind of trauma we might go through in the process, is for the birds.

Today we are all interdependent. In future we might not be, at all. It's staggeringly difficult even to comprehend.
 
If it was given to *everyone* then surely the effect will be net zero, because the cost of everything would just increase through currency de-valuation... and everyone will remain where they were in the pecking order/distribution of wealth? I don't think there's a chance it would be handed to everyone, and if it was it would over time be taken off the wealthiest, and overtime only provided to the 'poorest' in society, like pretty much every current benefit in the UK. Then surely you end up back at square one i.e. the system we have today?
 
Doobedoo said:
People no doubt will through necessity. I tend to do a lot myself, I always have. I can’t do it better but I can do it and it will be cheaper.

We don’t know what things will look like but people will still have an income and that income is comparable to what people already live on. So we know it can be done. Might need to slum it with the rest of us though. :cry:
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There will no doubt be a demand for tradespeople. But only a fraction of what it was. There will also be a lots of people looking for work who could also be tradespeople.
 
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Scarfacé said:
If it was given to *everyone* then surely the effect will be net zero, because the cost of everything would just increase through currency de-valuation... and everyone will remain where they were in the pecking order/distribution of wealth? I don't think there's a chance it would be handed to everyone, and if it was it would over time be taken off the wealthiest, and overtime only provided to the 'poorest' in society, like pretty much every current benefit in the UK. Then surely you end up back at square one i.e. the system we have today?
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Yes - but some random posters sweep in to call everyone dumb and say that isn't how it works; then offer nothing in the way of an explanation.
 
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