Universal Windows Platform and its possible impacts to PC gaming

So cross-buy announced today by MS at E3 which includes the following games:
Forza Horizon 3
Gears of War 4
Halo Wars 2
ReCore
Scalebound
Sea of Thieves
State of Decay 2
We Happy Few
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Obviously that should mean that on PC expect them to be UWP games via the Win10Store

ps3ud0 :cool:
 
Paul_cz said:
Forza Horizon 3...I might break down and get that one eventhough I want to boycott UWP :(

It just looks so good :(
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why on earth would you want to boycott it, read the bellow.

ZombieFan said:
People seem to be getting confused between UWP and Windows Store. The UWP and Windows Store are two different things.

UWP is an API which can be used by any game or application to allow developers to easily use the same code for multiple windows platforms (Desktop, Mobile and XBox). A developer using UWP doesn't have to distribute their game via Windows Store. UWP applications can be 'side-loaded' in Windows 10, which means they can be downloaded and installed completely separately from the store. In fact, there is no technical reason why UWP-based games can't be sold on Steam or GOG.

UWP is a new emerging API which is still (relatively) young. Therefore, Microsoft are still developing it's functionality and adding bits to it, as has been demonstrated by the recent VSync patch.

The main reason UWP exists is to make cross-platform development easier and make sure that apps don't screw up the rest of your PC by sandboxing them. This is generally a good thing, but it does prevent unofficial altering of the apps files which the old school method of modding requires. This doesn't, however, prevent games/apps from exposing files outside of this sandbox if the developer allows it. There is nothing preventing them from placing things like .ini files into 'My Documents' for example for modification. And, to be honest, if a developer not using UWP wanted to prevent the modding of their game then it's possible for them to do it at the moment.

This reddit post is a great discussion on the subject - https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/48y4p3/phil_spencer_on_twitter_uwp_is_a_fully_open/
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Microsoft bringing all these high profile games to PC is great news, I no longer need to buy a XboxOne to play Scalebound! :D.

Windows 10 Store may have some issues but its going to improve and as long as the games run well, that's what matters most.
 
Forza Apex on Windows Store is a fairly good example that UWP has potential. Unlocked FPS and Freesync/Gsync been added as well, it's looking more promising than early impressions.
 
ZombieFan said:
People seem to be getting confused between UWP and Windows Store. The UWP and Windows Store are two different things.

UWP is an API which can be used by any game or application to allow developers to easily use the same code for multiple windows platforms (Desktop, Mobile and XBox). A developer using UWP doesn't have to distribute their game via Windows Store. UWP applications can be 'side-loaded' in Windows 10, which means they can be downloaded and installed completely separately from the store. In fact, there is no technical reason why UWP-based games can't be sold on Steam or GOG.

UWP is a new emerging API which is still (relatively) young. Therefore, Microsoft are still developing it's functionality and adding bits to it, as has been demonstrated by the recent VSync patch.

The main reason UWP exists is to make cross-platform development easier and make sure that apps don't screw up the rest of your PC by sandboxing them. This is generally a good thing, but it does prevent unofficial altering of the apps files which the old school method of modding requires. This doesn't, however, prevent games/apps from exposing files outside of this sandbox if the developer allows it. There is nothing preventing them from placing things like .ini files into 'My Documents' for example for modification. And, to be honest, if a developer not using UWP wanted to prevent the modding of their game then it's possible for them to do it at the moment.

This reddit post is a great discussion on the subject - https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/48y4p3/phil_spencer_on_twitter_uwp_is_a_fully_open/
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That's great and all, but Windows 10 store is the only storefront that distributes UWP, so it's a bit moot.

UWP is just Microsoft telling people how to do things, it's not them actively listening etc.

I'm not against store fronts, I like Origin, EA has enough clout, customer care etc that I'm comfortable with them having their own store (Although I only buy EA games on Origin, I wouldn't buy anything none EA from there, unless for some reason it was really cheap).
I have absolutely no faith in buying games on the Windows 10 Store, and I don't intend to ever at the moment.
I've only ever made one purchase, and that was the PowerDVD Mobile, and that was because I have a Surface 2 ARM.
 
mburn_83 said:
If these restrictions prevented hackers - great.

I am all for this -more games and more competition; as long as MS take and act on feedback.
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Microsoft have an appalling record of treating Indie developers and PC Gamers in general.

Why is everyone now tripping over themselves because they say "I am sorry, I promise not to punch you in the face.. AGAIN".
 
As long as we don't end up with Xbox ports locked to 60fps then I don't really mind UWP.

Unfortunately(or fortunately still to be decided) it's going to be the future as developers will always look to cut down development costs.

Fingers crossed for more than Xbox ports though. If we still get the upgraded experience with support for keyboards then I'm not anti it.
 
MS announced about 8 x Win 10 store exclusives today so its going to be pushed a lot by them going forward I hope they continue to patch it as well.

You can either buy Win 10 store games or buy an XB1 as MS have many games locked into exclusive deals on their formats now. Still time to grab Win 10 while its free just in case you change your mind about future Win 10 exclusives saves you buying the OS after the free deal ends next month.
 
Gimpymoo said:
Microsoft have an appalling record of treating Indie developers and PC Gamers in general.

Why is everyone now tripping over themselves because they say "I am sorry, I promise not to punch you in the face.. AGAIN".
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After this failings of the last few years with ecosystem type stuff, it's unreal that people are lapping this up.

My Surface 2 stands testament to what Microsoft supports means.
 
I can see the price of PC games going up a lot if Microsoft get their way.

Microsoft also confirmed cross-platform access, Xbox Play Anywhere, meaning that gamers who buy a title for one will be able to play it on Xbox or Windows 10 PCs at no added cost.

That is going to push the price of a PC game right up to Xbox prices, can see no good whatsoever coming from this for PC users.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36522075
 
Drukk said:
I can see the price of PC games going up a lot if Microsoft get their way.

Microsoft also confirmed cross-platform access, Xbox Play Anywhere, meaning that gamers who buy a title for one will be able to play it on Xbox or Windows 10 PCs at no added cost.

That is going to push the price of a PC game right up to Xbox prices, can see no good whatsoever coming from this for PC users.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-36522075
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Funny you should mention that as Halo Wars 2 ultimate edition with all the season pass DLC is £64.99 on Win 10 in Feb 2017!
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2016-06-13-halo-wars-2-release-date-set-for-february
 
Martini1991 said:
After this failings of the last few years with ecosystem type stuff, it's unreal that people are lapping this up.

My Surface 2 stands testament to what Microsoft supports means.
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Exactly. We're just getting GFWL shoveled back into our faces under another name and people are excited for it?
 
Gonna be all over the Windows store when some of these games hit, especially State of Decay 2 and Forza. Who gives a **** that it's got a crappy client behind it, you won't even notice it's there and when you're not playing them, exit them. Terminate their process, whatever.

I do get people being mad about GFWL making old games straight up not work, but I see no other issue with it, I'd of rather played some of the GFWL titles than not.

After you're done with the games that interest you, just uninstall all traces of the store, you all acting like you're gonna catch the plague or your PC will get aids or something.
 
Gimpymoo said:
Microsoft have an appalling record of treating Indie developers and PC Gamers in general.

Why is everyone now tripping over themselves because they say "I am sorry, I promise not to punch you in the face.. AGAIN".
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I find it funny how the last few years MS have a history of great ideas but with poor execution - often with settings or features that are blindingly obvious broken, missing or wrong to everyone else yet people still defend the possible hope that they will get it right this time.

For instance the whole vsync thing - people say (said) oh well it is going to come in time, etc. but that entirely misses the point that a feature like that should be 110% dialled in out the gate if MS were paying attention to what fundamentally something like UWP needs to be - if they can't get something like that right it has implications for their strategic vision for the whole product.
 
Rroff said:
I find it funny how the last few years MS have a history of great ideas but with poor execution - often with settings or features that are blindingly obvious broken, missing or wrong to everyone else yet people still defend the possible hope that they will get it right this time.

For instance the whole vsync thing - people say (said) oh well it is going to come in time, etc. but that entirely misses the point that a feature like that should be 110% dialled in out the gate if MS were paying attention to what fundamentally something like UWP needs to be - if they can't get something like that right it has implications for their strategic vision for the whole product.
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Don't play great games like Gears, Forza, Dead Rising etc. then, or get an Xbox 1? I'm no fan of GFWL, was relieved when it was removed from Dark Souls, but who cares? If I want to play a great game and have to install something like GFWL to do it, I won't lose sleep over it.

Is GFWL gonna infect my PC and turn it into a man eating monster in the middle of the night or something? :D
 
Omaeka said:
Don't play great games like Gears, Forza, Dead Rising etc. then, or get an Xbox 1? I'm no fan of GFWL, was relieved when it was removed from Dark Souls, but who cares? If I want to play a great game and have to install something like GFWL to do it, I won't lose sleep over it.

Is GFWL gonna infect my PC and turn it into a man eating monster in the middle of the night or something? :D
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So, given Microsoft have set a precedent for dropping stuff, you're willing to give them money?

I don't trust Microsoft to keep their store running.
Also, loving that it's still 45 pound to buy Quantum Break/ Not.

It's just Microsoft digging themselves a fence and sitting in it.

They originally promised not to compete with Steam (Although there's a good argument that the W10 Store isn't actually competition lol), but here we go, games exclusive to W10 Store.
Again, why would you go with them when they continue to lie?
 
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