It's simple really, them moving all their Xbox exclusives to PC has made the Xbone obsolete, if we want to play some of these amazing games we're gonna have to suck it up I guess. The only alternative is buying an Xbone lol. If in 10 years time it goes belly up like GFWL and is closed down, at least we'd of played them. What would we do with an Xbone in 10 years time?
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It's simple really, them moving all their Xbox exclusives to PC has made the Xbone obsolete, if we want to play some of these amazing games we're gonna have to suck it up I guess. The only alternative is buying an Xbone lol. If in 10 years time it goes belly up like GFWL and is closed down, at least we'd of played them. What would we do with an Xbone in 10 years time?
No.
Martini is right.
They have dropped the ball too many times.
The modern UI is still not a "success" to be banking on games at £40-£50 a pop.
The only "Modern UI" app I reguarly use is the Start Menu.
Xbone is a failure for them, they are now back stepping to get some extra revenue till Scorpio hits.
Not forgetting the lack of control for modern UI installations compared to standard installs. It is a mess which needs a COMPLETE OVERHAUL before they can expect PC users to drop £50.
When Scorpio hits, PC will be an afterthought, AGAIN.
Also, charging console prices on PC, no thanks.
They are trying to build their own gaming eco system so they get all the pie to themselves.
[Edit] Maybe that's a bit unfair, given they're not yet released. But really, there's nothing from the Microsoft conference what "wow"ed me, or even got close.
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Don't play great games like Gears, Forza, Dead Rising etc. then, or get an Xbox 1? I'm no fan of GFWL, was relieved when it was removed from Dark Souls, but who cares? If I want to play a great game and have to install something like GFWL to do it, I won't lose sleep over it.
Is GFWL gonna infect my PC and turn it into a man eating monster in the middle of the night or something?
I'd rather go without these days than play a game with clunky controls or poor/limited frame rate, or other limitations/restrictions, etc. I either want the experience in all its potential glory or not at all.
What I like is that Windows 10 falls short of its potential in a number of areas because they have some silly idea about a uniform experience across a range of devices and designing for the lowest common denominator rather than trying to dynamically scale for the best experience on each platform... with a lot of features being a poor lite implementation due to Windows phone... which has dropped to like 0.7% market share or something and on the verge of being abandoned anyway.
MS desperately needs to knock some heads together and get some people in project leadership positions with more experience and actual strategic vision - a lot of stuff lately smacks of stumbling about in the dark trying things that any old school developer can tell you won't work - sure I'm not against testing conventional wisdom as sometimes things get overlooked or just accepted as a certain way which sometimes potentially good things get dismissed out of hand etc. but that isn't what is happening here.
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If I bought an Xbox One, I'd expect that Xbox One to work, and for the games to work.
I don't expect the same with the W10 store in 10 years.
People who bow to what Microsoft is attempting are the sole reason why we're dealing with so much crap in the industry.
What crap are you talking about?
Pretty sure whatever you answer, it'll still be a nonsense statement anyways. So many people have a really lacking understanding of the gaming industry and what makes it tick.
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ITT: trendy hipsters jump on the Microsoft hate bandwagon because reasons.
There's no pleasing some people, Steam is hardly the panacea of DRM software - if I have more choice then I'm happy with that, the fact that Microsoft are actually releasing their previously-titled "xbox exclusives" on the PC now is only a good thing and I am glad that they are giving us more games to play without having to purchase a console.
There's no pleasing some people, Steam is hardly the panacea of DRM software - if I have more choice then I'm happy with that, the fact that Microsoft are actually releasing their previously-titled "xbox exclusives" on the PC now is only a good thing and I am glad that they are giving us more games to play without having to purchase a console.
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That's great and all, but they're legitimate gripes.
My Surface 2 is testament to what Microsoft support entails.
And I'm not sure how it's "More choice". It's surely the opposite? State Of Decay was an excellent game, on the Xbox 360/Xbox One/PC, now you want me to be thankful I'm being forced into W10 Store for the sequel and that's more choice? I don't care if MS have a storefront (Not that UWP is just the store front), give me the option to also have it on Steam.
How Microsoft are making people thankful for scraps is beyond me.
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Subsequent series in games have always moved forwards to the next platform if available, plus I haven't seen a good reason to delay upgrading to Windows 10 yet (it's free, or at least was for a year, after all).
Now, I'll admit Halo is the one series that Microsoft annoys me with and I do indeed want to see the whole series (preferably remastered) on the PC. But I think it will happen in the near future most likely given the direction they are going in.
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PC is the platform, it hasn't changed, so that's not an excuse.
Microsoft is telling people how to do things, that's not choice.
And Microsoft already confirmed no Halo 5 on PC.
I have no problem with W10 (Besides its awful Tablet mode and OneDrive is a MASSIVE step back), I have no inherent problem with an MS Store, I didn't care about the 8/8.1 store. But W10 Store is becoming an issue because they want people to use it, without giving them a choice.
You can buy Assassins Creed X/Y/Z on UPlay, but you can also buy them on Steam. That's choice.
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There is still quite a bit of software that isn't Windows 10 compatible, metered connections are pretty broken due to the way they've implemented it as well which sucks and pretty much means holding off if you spend any significant time on tethering as you can't disable things like Windows update without significant messing about and undesirables side effects.
Then there is the fact is just looks ugly which is a factor when you are looking at the OS for significant parts of the day.
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ITP: I have no counter-arguments (or am too lazy to make them), so I'll just attack people and stamp my feet like a child.
The fact remains that Microsoft are locking their games into their walled garden app store. For all Steam's problems, it's a far more open system than than the Windows 10 store, where you buy things there at inflated prices or not at all. At least with Steam (and indeed even trash like uPlay) you can buy from other retailers and enjoy the benefits of pricing competition.
Microsoft's plan is to lock things down, gate things off and put themselves 'in charge' of PC gaming, as if it was a console platform. That's the level of control that they want over things, despite them lying through their teeth and saying they'd love UWP titles to be available through Steam and elsewhere. Nothing you or they can say will possibly convince me otherwise. Only action will, so call me and tell me how great Microsoft's PC offering is once it actually is great, or indeed even broadly in the same realm as something like Steam, rather than something that belongs on a mobile phone. I can do without their games until then.
Its implementation is poor in 10 but its not a potential show stopper like some of the other things they've enforced, etc. for my use Windows update being able to restart the machine itself at any time is completely unacceptable and hence Windows 10 is unlikely to ever be my main OS. WP MS WP.
People might see my posts as hate but actually isn't - I want to see features and so on reach their true potential - I'm gonna call a spade a spade.
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I never used to understand the Microsoft hate.
I never understood the hate about windows 8 either.
But I can't do anything but hate them these days.
I never understood the hate about windows 8 either.
But I can't do anything but hate them these days.
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On my works PC I can't even use the UWA stuff as I get a built I administrator account error.
Probably can fix with a rebuild.
I think on the student image we're just deactivating the update service, our machines are frozen.
Thing with Windows 8 - it works for some people and not others - which to a degree is true of most/all OSes but usually there is a better range of customisation possible to atleast mitigate that while 8 tries to ram a specific usage model down the end users throat whether it works for them or not.