**Unofficial Tyre Thread**
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It sounds like the efficientgrip performance would be perfectly suited if you are doing a lot of motorway commutes, as it should have better longevity and slightly better fuel consumption (at the expense of outright grip vs the Asymmetric 3's softer compound)
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Just had a set of AD08R'S fitted (235/45/17) on the gtfour and have to say they are awesome. They even handled the muddy car park at goodwood! Wouldn't recommend them on a daily driver as the road noise is terrible on anything other than a flat surface.
Looking forward to trying them out on track next month.
Looking forward to trying them out on track next month.
Got a free set of Goodyear Eagle F1 AS3's thanks to a Jaguar tyre recall on my P-Zeros. Are they any good? I know the AS2's are popular on here so I'm assuming it's more of the same?
They seem very quiet compared to the P-Zeros
Edit - ignore my lazy self, I've just seen the posts above. Odd that they recalled the p-zeros because of economy figures but the goodyears seem to be another poor economy tyre
They seem very quiet compared to the P-Zeros
Edit - ignore my lazy self, I've just seen the posts above. Odd that they recalled the p-zeros because of economy figures but the goodyears seem to be another poor economy tyre
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Michelin will still continue to produce MPSS where they are contractually obliged, and I think that's probably the case for BMW as they have a special fitment option available.
As for better tyres at a lower cost, I'm not sure that's quantifiable at this point. The durability of MPSS is excellent. I've just replaced my rears on my M135i after 34,000 miles...yes, 34 THOUSAND miles...and they still had 3mm of tread remaining. The fronts are 22,000 miles old with 5mm remaining (they only got replaced after 12,000 miles because one had a puncture so I replaced both).
I guess you're referring to the CSC6, which may well be cheaper and offer marginally higher performance (it's not like MPSS don't offer extreme performance anyway), but my experience of Contis is that they are soft and don't last well at all. From a TCO perspective they'd have to be much cheaper than MPSS unless they last as well to really be "cheaper".
It is true the CSC5 were soft and didn't last as long a mileage run as the competition from Michelin, but the CSC6 are a new compound and unlike previous models from everything I've read. Based on my experience with them having now done a few thousand miles, this certainly seems to be the case. Personally I'd be picking CSC6/AS3 or PS4 instead of MPSS these days.
MPSS ride comfort just isn't as good as the competition above all else. IMO they're an overrated tyre.
MPSS ride comfort just isn't as good as the competition above all else. IMO they're an overrated tyre.
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Whats a better tyre than the MPSS? I seemed to have missed out on them entirely as I was planning on getting 4 for my Z4M as they were getting rave reviews but now its suddenly don't get them there are better for cheaper, like what? They don't make the CSC6 in the Z4M size.
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For road use, Michelin Pilot Sport 4.
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Just to be clear, this is a higher performance tyre on the road than the MPSS when driving genuinely sportingly? If so why is the MPSS better suited for track yet still classified as a good road tyre, yet not as good on the road as the MPS4?
The PS4 is essentially the replacement to the PSS. But Michelin cannot cease production of the PSS as they've got OEM contracts to provide the tyres in certain sizes, so will continue to do so. I believe it's being discontinued in all sizes for which there is no OEM supply contract.
It is better than the PSS in every way except outright dry grip, therefore overall it is a better choice for the road (And I believe Michelin claim the dry grip difference is something you'd notice only on the track).
It is better than the PSS in every way except outright dry grip, therefore overall it is a better choice for the road (And I believe Michelin claim the dry grip difference is something you'd notice only on the track).
The MPSS are not great in the damp that's why. They are a track focused tyre that are great on the road in the dry, but will let slip in the damp all too often. The PS4 are great in wet or dry based on everything I have read. I have teh CSC6 though, as PS4 were not available in my size at the time, and the CSC6 boasted all new compound and were getting rave reviews online.
PS4, AS3 or CSC6 are the top picks for UHP road tyres, ideal for your "genuinely sporting" driving
PS4, AS3 or CSC6 are the top picks for UHP road tyres, ideal for your "genuinely sporting" driving
I need a new pair of tyres on my rear and will be getting the MPSS again - partly because it will match the fronts, and partly because they are stunning. I find my MPSS tyres great in dry and the wet. But cold and wet is where it's a slightly different ball game. Don't get me wrong, they're not ditchfinders, but you have to be careful on a 5c damp winters day as you do in any car really.
I'm not completely sold on the CSC6. I'm sure they are great tyres in the grip/feel category, but they've received quite a lot of anecdotal online criticism for the bad wear rates.
I'm not completely sold on the CSC6. I'm sure they are great tyres in the grip/feel category, but they've received quite a lot of anecdotal online criticism for the bad wear rates.
I had mine fitted on the 23rd March and I've done 6,000 miles since then. As of Saturday they are on 6mm on the front and 5mm on the back.
I do tend to give it some stick on a regular basis so I reckon this is realistic real-world wear rates for someone who doesn't dawdle around. I'm therefore looking at around 12,000 miles from the rear (depending on how soon I change after hitting 3mm) and probably more like 18,000 miles on the front pair.
That seems reasonable to me for the tyres they are.
I do tend to give it some stick on a regular basis so I reckon this is realistic real-world wear rates for someone who doesn't dawdle around. I'm therefore looking at around 12,000 miles from the rear (depending on how soon I change after hitting 3mm) and probably more like 18,000 miles on the front pair.
That seems reasonable to me for the tyres they are.