**Unofficial Tyre Thread**

Got a screw in my rear right today, TPMS alerted me a mile or so from home, they’re cross climate 2, so I’m preparing myself for them saying it can’t be repaired, although thankfully the screw went in directly in the middle of the tread, but it’s at an angle through one of the tread blocks, not sure if that will cause an issue?

Phew, all sorted. Repair complete at local Ford dealer down the road, £12. Will see if it holds pressure overnight though, so not counting my chickens just yet.
 
Since you don't have a spare I'd recommend a tyre plug kit and a can of tyre weld - not so useful for sidewall punctures though.

Good shout, we have some Holts tyre weld in the boot and I've just ordered a tyre inflator to be kept in the car also.

She has the extended Mini warranty with breakdown cover, if there's ever any issue with the tyres I think she'd rather just ring Mini and get them to come out, especially if I'm not able to get to her myself.

Hopefully I'm not being insensible with this approach!

(I know I'm waxing lyrical but my God what a fantastic drive it is since getting rid of the RFT's; 150 miles on the new tyres and have had a chance to push it a bit harder. Feels like the hot hatch it is now).
 
who said not going to snow ?

i used my car yesterday in the snow, and its snow again now, so looks like ill be using it in the snow again tomorrow

Cross Climate + tyres were amazing, i had full confidence
if i had summer tyres on, i would have been bricking it the whole journey

cant wait till the morning :D
 
I know it's the internet and all but I can't tell if this is satire or not.

I doubt it's satire when you're driving a rear wheel drive BMW with over 300hp in snow with summers tyres :D. I tried the last time it snowed and the car didn't get up even the slightest gradient, had to abandon the car and walk the rest. I feel quite vindicated for the expense of the new wheels and all-season tyres :).
 
What’s the difference between these and Cross Climate 2’s? Which is what I think the Tiguan will be having. Are the CC2 more winter/snow focussed?

That's like asking what the difference is between a Michelin Primacy and a Pilot Sport 4S. It's a UHP All season.

This is the issue with the UK all season range - they are essentially all mid range tyres so compare favourably with things like PremiumContact and Pilot Primacy. But you'd never fit those to your car would you?
 
What’s the difference between these and Cross Climate 2’s? Which is what I think the Tiguan will be having. Are the CC2 more winter/snow focussed?

It is annoying - I can get CC2s for the Tiguan but not for my pickup (closest they make which is suitable is the older CC SUV which isn't as good in some areas) :s the availability of tyres is a bit meh. Also, though not really seriously, thought about putting Pirelli Scorpion AT+ on the Tiguan but they don't do them in the right spec - at least not available in the UK. On 17 inches you can also get the Agilis CrossClimate which look like an interesting option though no idea how well they stack up against the CrossClimate 2.
 
Haven't watched it yet but might be interesting:


Great comparison. In Scandinavian countries they always say winter 2wd better than summer awd but winter awd the best.

Although the all seasons arent as good as the winter tyres obviously esp on ice, the combo of awd and all seasons beats none AWD on winter. Thats good enough for me.

Plus winter tyres are much more limited in the sizes they are available and cost the earth. For UK winters I still say you cant go wrong with All seasons in winter. If you have mild dry days you arent compromising your car as you would if you had winters on it.
 
I put the WinterContact TS860P back on the Mini the other weekend. I still struggle with the logic of using all seasons if you change wheels in winter. They are *all* seasons. For example, I had 4 Cross Climate put onto my sisters car as she will run the same wheels all year round, so that made the most sense. I'm very much not anti all season.

I'd be very tempted by those UHP all seasons if they are as good as they look and they come over here.
 
I put the WinterContact TS860P back on the Mini the other weekend. I still struggle with the logic of using all seasons if you change wheels in winter. They are *all* seasons. For example, I had 4 Cross Climate put onto my sisters car as she will run the same wheels all year round, so that made the most sense. I'm very much not anti all season.

I'd be very tempted by those UHP all seasons if they are as good as they look and they come over here.

Because we dont have a constant period of months of sub 5c temps and snow and ice in the UK. If we did then winter tyres every all day long. But on all those mild dry days like today, the winter tyres will be awful performance in both handling and braking.

ANd yes you could just go all seasons all year year but in summer you "could" go to UHP summer tyres for just the summer and the all seasons for the british winter.
 
But on all those mild dry days like today, the winter tyres will be awful performance in both handling and braking.

I think this is as much of an exaggeration as the other side of the argument that claims a UHP Summer tyre becomes absolutely awful at 6.95c.

It does not mirror my experience at all. There is no way that if I go out now in that Mini I will experience 'absolutely awful' handling and braking.
 
I think this is as much of an exaggeration as the other side of the argument that claims a UHP Summer tyre becomes absolutely awful at 6.95c.

It does not mirror my experience at all. There is no way that if I go out now in that Mini I will experience 'absolutely awful' handling and braking.

No but it starts deteriorating from there downwards but comes from such high performance. And then tomorrow when you set off early for work and there has been another keen frost and its -2 and the roads are slippy, you really notice it then.

Perhaps its more of a Northern/Southern thing. You have milder and warmer winters down south. Honestly from October onwards up here I really want to be on all seasons until March.
 
No but it starts deteriorating from there downwards but comes from such high performance. And then tomorrow when you set off early for work and there has been another keen frost and its -2 and the roads are slippy, you really notice it then.

Perhaps its more of a Northern/Southern thing. You have milder and warmer winters down south. Honestly from October onwards up here I really want to be on all seasons until March.

Do you have any data to show how a winter tyre at 10c performs vs a summer?

What about 12 or 15c? I can’t see there being any/much difference.

This old comparison review shows there is a negligible difference at 15c in the wet between any tyre in both braking and handling.

At 18c in the dry the summer tyre is best, but it’s not going to be 18c and dry in winter is it…

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Is-there-a-true-all-season-tyre-We-find-out.htm

You’re into a circular argument here, a winter tyre would be better for you if you’re going to the hassle of changing them over in March.
 
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Do you have any data to show how a winter tyre at 10c performs vs a summer?

What about 12 or 15c? I can’t see there being any/much difference.

This old comparison review shows there is a negligible difference at 15c in the wet between any tyre in both braking and handling.

At 18c in the dry the summer tyre is best, but it’s not going to be 18c and dry in winter is it…

https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Is-there-a-true-all-season-tyre-We-find-out.htm

You’re into a circular argument here, a winter tyre would be better for you if you’re going to the hassle of changing them over in March.

Yes there has been reviews. look here


wet braking - summer and winter tyres exactly the same at 10c. Once you get to 2c the summer tyre is 6m behind the winter/all seasons. at 15c the winter tyre is 2m further than the summer and gap opens as it gets hotter.

dry braking - summer 4m shorter than winter at 8c. Gap closes to 2m at 2c.

And in the road tests he described the summer tyres at 1.5-2c on greasy roads as lethal

But its up to the driver.

For me its either go all seasons all year round or swap to summer UHP for the summer months for that extra performance.
 
And in the road tests he described the summer tyres at 1.5-2c on greasy roads as lethal

Which summer tyre? A premium contact 6. Would you fit that to your car? How much better at wet braking is a Pilot Sport 4S or an Eagle F1?

This is the problem with all this - there are bigger differences than you mention between purely different models of summer tyres in some tests, yet every time different types are compared we forget this and assume they are all the same.

Every tyre is different.
 
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