**Unofficial Tyre Thread**

Need a full set of all seasons for my Fabia as my friends and I like winter mountaineering so when it gets snowy we are usually faced with roads like this

No racing, will be used year round, about 5000 miles pa. Currently have a mismatched set of budget summers (Davanti DX 390 and HP Enduro something), car sounds like a tractor anyway so noise isn't too important.

Choices below, Vector 4Seasons is an V 88 speed/load rating. I know the CC2's are incredibly highly rated but I've also heard the Vector's are better in snow, I also like the £20 saving. I also could get some Conti AllSeason 2's for £384 fitted with Kwikfit or Nokian Seasonproof 2 for £340 fitted at a random garage I don't like that they don't seem to do any of the alignment/balancing stuff with the fitting.

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Can someone help me escape the analysis paralysis? Cheers.
 
Disco_P said:
Need a full set of all seasons for my Fabia as my friends and I like winter mountaineering so when it gets snowy we are usually faced with roads like this
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Same situation, I regularly travel to North Wales/Lakes/Scotland for winter climbing and have used the Goodyears over the last few years. Previously, I've had to dig my car out of the car park with an ice axe and even carry an emergency snow shovel in the boot, but since changing to these, touch wood, I haven't been stuck once. It's nice to have a bit of peace of mind that when I get back to the car after a long day I should be OK. Obviously, I can't comment on the CC2s, but the Goodyears were excellent and I've just stuck another set on.
 
Hard to beat the Cross Climates but looking at that road, and I hesitate to call it a road, on Google Maps if you are doing that kind of stuff regularly in properly icy conditions really you need a proper set of winter tyres :s

Conti AllSeasons have some benefits for those kind of roads as they don't tend to pick up small stones, etc. as much as the tread patterns like the Cross Climates do, and have some small benefits in coping with light off-road, but they aren't as all around capable as the Cross Climates.

EDIT: Looking at the Tyre Reviews comparison the Goodyears do seem to have the advantage on ice: https://www.tyrereviews.com/Compare/Vector-4Seasons-Gen-3-VS-CrossClimate-2.htm
 
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I have CC2s and have been very happy with them over the Primacy that the car had when it came. A little louder but the level of grip all around has made the car drive nicer even with mush and torrential rain. Didn't get much snow but the compound feels good still in -6degC. Only down side is the CC2 picks up a little more mud (I have mud flaps) due to the tread pattern.
 
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We’ve got Cross Climate 3 Sport on our JCW Clubman 306 and they’re excellent.

Just fitted Pirelli Scorpion all season SF3 on our Countryman S which are also brilliant.

Live in the Cotswolds. Plenty of ungritted roads and hills. Previously has various flavours of Michelin Cross Climate
 
I am looking for new pair of tyres in 235/40 R19 on Mk5 Mondeo. To replace the Road Xs that it came with. My guess is the Road Xs are at least 15k miles old.

Plan is to put the new Linglongs that were installed when I bought the car at the back and put new decent tyres at the front.

Currently there is a deal going on Costco for Bridgestone Turanza 96Y XL for £144.99. Camskill have Kumho Ecsta Sport PS72 for £98.90 not including fitting.

Brain is inclined towards Bridgestone but the price of Kumhos is hard to ignore. The lowest price I have seen on Costco is £134.99 for Michelin (PS4 probably iirc).

What do you guys suggest? This isnt urgent by any means.
 
Whichever you choose, i'd be putting a set of 4 on and throwing the Linglongs in the bin

Edit - if you go with Costco, you'll probably find they'll only fit new tyres to the rear anyway if you buy a single pair, they can be quite fussy about that.
 
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Kenai said:
Whichever you choose, i'd be putting a set of 4 on and throwing the Linglongs in the bin

Edit - if you go with Costco, you'll probably find they'll only fit new tyres to the rear anyway if you buy a single pair, they can be quite fussy about that.
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The plan is to bin the Linglongs eventually but there are some budget constraints with replacing all 4. I have had the car for about 5 months, so there's that big expense combined with a bigger one for some personal circumstances this month. Hence the plan to replace in pairs as the Linglongs are new.

I have not replaced tyres at Costco yet so glad to know about their distinct little things. I am a member but I always find the Costco staff to be odd anyway with the level of checks they have. :)

Armageus said:
Best tyres should go on the back anyway
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In my light reading, for a FWD best tyres should go on front but I am happy to be corrected. This Mk5 has slightly more bhp and torque than my older Mk4. Rubbish tyres make it more evident. Hence the plan is/was to get better tyres up front.

Will start saving and get all 4 replaced. Also will be keeping an eye on Costco for any offers on sets. The tyres would have been lot cheaper if I had 18s as my wheels for same rest of the spec. 19s look better imo so can't complain. :)
 
Costco have a sale on Goodyears for anyone else who was on the fence

£100 off R19+
£80 off R18
£60 off R17
£40 off R16
£30 off R15
 
LowEndTorque said:
In my light reading, for a FWD best tyres should go on front but I am happy to be corrected. This Mk5 has slightly more bhp and torque than my older Mk4. Rubbish tyres make it more evident. Hence the plan is/was to get better tyres up front.
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A sometimes debated one but having the best tyres on the front, if there is a significant difference, makes it more likely the back will step out if you have a *situation* and it is generally much easier to accommodate understeer than it is sudden oversteer. Additionally you have a little more say in what the front wheels are doing than the back so easier to correct for, or pre-empt, having less grip on the front albeit that can be a balance between that and not encountering needing to have more say over what the wheels are doing in the first place.

Personally never really encountered a problem though aside from situations where it is ridiculously wet and the tyres are very mismatched and that may be as much the rubbish tyres as anything (for the record definitely not my vehicles).
 
It’s nothing to do with back stepping out. It’s risk of aquaplaning on what is the lighter axle on most cars. New tyres = more tread. Very little benefit if more tread in the dry.
 
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Simon said:
It’s nothing to do with back stepping out. It’s risk of aquaplaning on what is the lighter axle on most cars. New tyres = more tread. Very little benefit if more tread in the dry.
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Yes trying to avoid aquaplaning is one reason but the major consideration is to avoid the back stepping out because oversteer is generally harder to manage and more likely to result in a serious incident than understeer, and if you do get aquaplaning initiated first at the rear that is the likely outcome.
 
@Rroff Thank you. I did Google later again and it did come up with Oversteer reasoning. I had also heard the High Peak Autos guy mention about putting better tyres up front on a FWD which contributed to the wrong info in my head.
 
LowEndTorque said:
@Rroff Thank you. I did Google later again and it did come up with Oversteer reasoning. I had also heard the High Peak Autos guy mention about putting better tyres up front on a FWD which contributed to the wrong info in my head.
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He occasionally comes out with questionable stuff though I like his videos, not sure what his rationale was in that instance but IIRC people questioned it in the comments.

EDIT: End of the day he is more a presenter and car salesman than he is inclined towards the mechanical side and fully admits it in some of his videos.
 
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