**Unofficial Tyre Thread**
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I can only presume that is true. If it was the other way around, surely tyre manufacturers would be shining the worlds biggest spotlight on it to sell more tyres.
Totally agree - a comprehensive test like that would be massively useful to allow buyers to gauge what tyres they'd be best with and when.
Especially useful if the costs and/or difficulties of buying/accommodating two sets aren't something that one can manage then an idea of what would be best as a year round tyre for a variety of situations/geographical locations would be really useful.
Would have to be a thorough test but valuable none the less.
Also very interested re: the autocar review Gaygle - where's the link for that? Would make good reading.
What speed were they stopping from?
Especially useful if the costs and/or difficulties of buying/accommodating two sets aren't something that one can manage then an idea of what would be best as a year round tyre for a variety of situations/geographical locations would be really useful.
Would have to be a thorough test but valuable none the less.
Also very interested re: the autocar review Gaygle - where's the link for that? Would make good reading.
What speed were they stopping from?It's just dumb. Since the winter tyres revolution has taken over, tyre manufacturers seem hell bent on showing how good their best most expensive winter tyre is against their cheapest summer tyre. Unfortunately it's the same with independent testing. I know why the manufacturers do it, but why do the independent testers? I did find a winter test long ago that was good and tested loads of different tyres in different temperatures but can't for the life of me remember where. I'll try and find it.
Also very interested re: the autocar review Gaygle - where's the link for that? Would make good reading.
I'll be honest, it wasn't great. It was like a 1 minute video test - no where near as in depth enough to make it interesting. I typed into google something like "winter tyres in warm weather".
Just found a "Whatcar" test
Dry testing
Our dry test measured braking from 62mph. The temperature during the test averaged 5.5C, yet the summer tyres stopped our Volkswagen Golf test car earlier – in an average of 37.9 metres. The winter tyres took an average of 5.8 metres longer to pull up, and even the worst of the summer tyres – the Nankang Ultra Sport NS-2 – outperformed the best winter tyre, the Continental ContiWinterContact TS 830.
The summer tyres they are using are 10 year old midrange tyres too. And that is at 5.5c - the so called operating window of winter tyres! Add 20c onto that and see how terrible they'd be.
Interesting, thanks for that. I'd like to see what happens at higher temps too - I don't think they'd melt away but they'd likely worsen a bit. I know mine do begin to feel a little spongy in very warm weather... which is to be expected of course.
Do you know if they did the same in the wet during that test at all?
You're right though, it is very disappointing that there isn't more interest in wide ranging testing.
I suspect there are euro tests out there (many associated awards, results and some tests are on the site I popped a link to in my earlier post) but deciphering some of the comments even with translators is sometimes difficult and often unreliable.
My previous comments simply come from experience of what I have had over the years plus impressions from others about their own experiences with winter tyres. Agreed that personally I never had tippety top end tyres like F1's etc but they were always decent branded models similar in value to the Ultra's I currently have fitted.
TBH, being in the Lakes the majority of my year is wet and a lot of it ranges from cool to cold outside of the summer months. For me they're perfectly usable in summer and the slight additional wear in those months is no problem especially when that wear is cancelled out by the savings made from not having to buy additional rims or pay/find room to store an entire second set of tyres.
For my needs/budget/location they're ideal in my mind but obviously other users who live elsewhere or own larger and more powerful cars may have different performance/wear/cost requirements. It's all very subjective really.
I'd like to see what happens at higher temps too - I don't think they'd melt away but they'd likely worsen a bit. I know mine do begin to feel a little spongy in very warm weather... which is to be expected of course.Do you know if they did the same in the wet during that test at all?
You're right though, it is very disappointing that there isn't more interest in wide ranging testing.
I suspect there are euro tests out there (many associated awards, results and some tests are on the site I popped a link to in my earlier post) but deciphering some of the comments even with translators is sometimes difficult and often unreliable.My previous comments simply come from experience of what I have had over the years plus impressions from others about their own experiences with winter tyres. Agreed that personally I never had tippety top end tyres like F1's etc but they were always decent branded models similar in value to the Ultra's I currently have fitted.
TBH, being in the Lakes the majority of my year is wet and a lot of it ranges from cool to cold outside of the summer months. For me they're perfectly usable in summer and the slight additional wear in those months is no problem especially when that wear is cancelled out by the savings made from not having to buy additional rims or pay/find room to store an entire second set of tyres.
For my needs/budget/location they're ideal in my mind but obviously other users who live elsewhere or own larger and more powerful cars may have different performance/wear/cost requirements. It's all very subjective really.
Need some new tyres for the family 1.25L Fiesta - 195/50/R15.
Currently got Conti Premium Contact 5s on the front and 2s on the back. The 5s have worn out (cable showing on the offside inner face, despite not quite hitting the wear bars) in only 12-15k miles which doesn't seem brilliant to me.
Therefore, presented with the following options:
Michelin Pilot Sport 3 - £61.99/tyre fitted
Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance - £59.49/tyre fitted
Continental Premium Contact 5 - £61.49/tyre fitted
Pirelli C1 Cintauro Verdi - £61.49/tyre fitted
The above are from Black Circles. I'm thinking of going with the Michelins as the price is there or thereabout and they're meant to last pretty well, plus the grip will be excellent!
Am only going to do the fronts as the rears have plenty of tread left unless this is a bit stupid?
Currently got Conti Premium Contact 5s on the front and 2s on the back. The 5s have worn out (cable showing on the offside inner face, despite not quite hitting the wear bars) in only 12-15k miles which doesn't seem brilliant to me.
Therefore, presented with the following options:
Michelin Pilot Sport 3 - £61.99/tyre fitted
Goodyear Efficient Grip Performance - £59.49/tyre fitted
Continental Premium Contact 5 - £61.49/tyre fitted
Pirelli C1 Cintauro Verdi - £61.49/tyre fitted
The above are from Black Circles. I'm thinking of going with the Michelins as the price is there or thereabout and they're meant to last pretty well, plus the grip will be excellent!
Am only going to do the fronts as the rears have plenty of tread left unless this is a bit stupid?
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I had michilins on my clio sport (195/45/16) and work really really well in the dry and wet, I couldn't fault them
Pilot Sport 3's.
Oh and in before the "OMG THEY AREN'T THE TRUE SUCCESSOR TO THE PS2". They're a decent tyre, that can either be called an excellent mid range tyre, or an "ok" high performance tyre and it's definitely the best in that list.
Oh and in before the "OMG THEY AREN'T THE TRUE SUCCESSOR TO THE PS2". They're a decent tyre, that can either be called an excellent mid range tyre, or an "ok" high performance tyre and it's definitely the best in that list.
I had a look around the usual sites, didn't check MyTyres, but they're £71.50 fitted anyway.
Turns out that KF had them for £62 fitted which surprised me, but no-one else was close really. Camskill were just under £50/tyre, but delivered + finding someone to fit wouldn't have saved any money I don't think.
Turns out that KF had them for £62 fitted which surprised me, but no-one else was close really. Camskill were just under £50/tyre, but delivered + finding someone to fit wouldn't have saved any money I don't think.
Thanks guys, think it'll be the Michelins on this occasion then. They're actually the highest end options available, no-one makes anything sportier funnily enough in that size.
Yokohama make the AD08R which are considerably 'sportier'.
Also the Michelin Pilot Exalto 2s are available.
Both of the above are available from black circles in the size you require.
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Weirdly though, the tyre is evenly worn across the entire body of the tyre, but the very inside edge has worn to the cable. I immediately thought of geo, but the camber seems fine, and wasn't done that long ago. It's almost as if something's rubbed off the inside edge, but they're bog standard standard 15" rims so I have no idea why they might have done that.
Well yeah, but it's a 1.25 Fiesta - sporty stuff isn't really the requirement, but I was just commenting that's as high as it goes really for road-focused tyres.
The car may simply need the wheels aligned, but misalignment could be due to sagging springs, worn ball joints, or worn control arm bushings.
Another great tyre to throw into the mix..
Bridgestone Potenza RE002. Managed to pick up 4 of them for £160 online (plus fitting)
http://www.youtubemultiplier.com/53fce2a60c7be-poorly-328-vs-lol-s15-2.php
Make sure you start it then pause and rewind to get it in sync.
This is a completely unscientific comparison but I was a little surprised.
The BMW 328i has a sick engine so has half the power or less than the S15.
Both cars are running 225/45/17 all round and both run on HSD monopro shocks, static geo settings are almost identical on the two cars. BMW has RE002 front, F1AS2 rear. Silvia is on AD08R front, AD08 rear.
Make sure you start it then pause and rewind to get it in sync.
This is a completely unscientific comparison but I was a little surprised.
The BMW 328i has a sick engine so has half the power or less than the S15.
Both cars are running 225/45/17 all round and both run on HSD monopro shocks, static geo settings are almost identical on the two cars. BMW has RE002 front, F1AS2 rear. Silvia is on AD08R front, AD08 rear.