Poll: Unreasonable expectations?
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X is thinking Y isn't the manager doing their job properly.
Is "particular needs" the nomenclature these days? Then in 10 years time when "particular needs" is synonymous with mental/developmental problems, they'll switch to "specific needs", before going back to "special needs" in 2030?
Anyway, refuse.
Anyway, refuse.
it's against workingtime regulations NOT to have a minimunm of 11 hours between shifts of that length. Also if X doesn't recover sleep wise before tonights nightshift, imagine what could happen if something goes wrong on the nightshift due to lack of sleep/rest.
I would politely decline and point them in the direction of the The Working Time Directive, 2003/88/EC, is a Directive of the European Union. It gives EU workers the right to a minimum number of holidays each year, paid breaks, and rest of at least 11 hours in any 24 hours.
I would politely decline and point them in the direction of the The Working Time Directive, 2003/88/EC, is a Directive of the European Union. It gives EU workers the right to a minimum number of holidays each year, paid breaks, and rest of at least 11 hours in any 24 hours.
I'm assuming the 'mandatory' part is being enforced by the management of the facility, and not those higher up? Often it seems the management of these places are on power trips and have no common sense (My wife used to work in a lot of them).
I would put it to them that they are breaching the minimum rest periods and to rearrange for them. Don't get nasty, they will use it against you. Just state the minimum rest, and it is unreasonable given the assigned hours to expect said person to attend. If they get arsey, inform them you are making an official complaint. (It really shouldn't need to go that far.)
Honestly, some of the places my wife has worked in, the management are educated but totally clueless e.g. Refusing to order safety gloves for workers even though they work with patients who A) are covered in bodily discharged B) Some who have MRSA (!).
Main point, tell X not to be aggressive or confrontational, just be matter of fact. I won't be attending the meeting/training due to the minimum legal rest period regulation (or whatever it's called.), and will have to be arranged for another time. I almost guarantee that others will not turn up anyway.
The downside is that they may arrange the training on X's day off.
I would put it to them that they are breaching the minimum rest periods and to rearrange for them. Don't get nasty, they will use it against you. Just state the minimum rest, and it is unreasonable given the assigned hours to expect said person to attend. If they get arsey, inform them you are making an official complaint. (It really shouldn't need to go that far.)
Honestly, some of the places my wife has worked in, the management are educated but totally clueless e.g. Refusing to order safety gloves for workers even though they work with patients who A) are covered in bodily discharged B) Some who have MRSA (!).
Main point, tell X not to be aggressive or confrontational, just be matter of fact. I won't be attending the meeting/training due to the minimum legal rest period regulation (or whatever it's called.), and will have to be arranged for another time. I almost guarantee that others will not turn up anyway.
The downside is that they may arrange the training on X's day off.
X is my mrs. I spoke to her place of work (because her management were not available at the end of her nightshift, and she's now asleep having worked last night) and made them aware that she would not be present.
I was asked why, and simply told them that she'd worked last night and she was due to work tonight. I could tell that the reaction was that this was not a valid reason.
She has a duty of care to the service users in her charge. Without formal rest periods you cannot do the job she does.
I was asked why, and simply told them that she'd worked last night and she was due to work tonight. I could tell that the reaction was that this was not a valid reason.
She has a duty of care to the service users in her charge. Without formal rest periods you cannot do the job she does.
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Have you spoken to a union rep? They are there to protect their members from being intimidated by idiotic managers who should know better.
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Employers use the 'Jobs Fear' card all the time in situations like this, they effectively get minimum wage slave labour by using the threat of losing your 'precious and hard to get job' against you, and there is absolutely no recourse for the employee if they haven't been employed long enough.
X has a problem in that if they comply to ridiculous demands, they'll be doing it time and time again as the employer will think they can get away with it.
X has a problem in that if they comply to ridiculous demands, they'll be doing it time and time again as the employer will think they can get away with it.
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Bah! I voted No, thinking the question was 'would you go in to the meeting'. Does a passing mod have the power to move my vote to Yes?
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I voted wrong. 
I meant to put yes it's unreasonable but put no. That 12 hour shift last night and the thought of one again tonight is horrible. Plus this training is boring!
I meant to put yes it's unreasonable but put no. That 12 hour shift last night and the thought of one again tonight is horrible. Plus this training is boring!
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Speak to powers that be, it is unreasonable.
IIRC from the work I did in my own workplace you can enforce an 11 hour absence from work, but this is unpaid.
This is, of course, perfectly acceptable to the mrs who just wants to sleep after her nightshift!