Poll: Unreasonable expectations?

Are these unreasonable expectations

  • Yes, I would refuse

    Votes: 321 88.4%

  • No, this seems pretty reasonable to me

    Votes: 33 9.1%

  • I am unsure as to what my thoughts are

    Votes: 9 2.5%
  • Total voters
    363
Speaking as someone who works nights regularly I'd tell them to shove it. I've refused (non mandatory) meetings at 9-10am because my shift finishes at 7-8am and quite frankly I need to get to bed. End of nightshift = zombie that is no good to anyone.

The thing about nightshifts is that until people have done them, they don't know how horrendous they really are. Ask the management if it'd be reasonable for you to arrange a meeting with them at 3am and see what they say!
 
Very unreasonable,i work 12 hour shifts at night and if work expect me to attend any training courses or meetings the day following a 12 hour night shift,they give me the night as a paid authorised absence and allow me to attend the training-meeting rested and with a clear head..
 
Rock up in pyjamas with a pillow and duvet and bed down on the desk. ;)

Serious answer - tell them where to go (politely) and if they get funny about it, turn up for the training/meeting, then call in sick for the night shift.
 
Firstly that's ludicrous! Your wife is right not to go in especially between two nights. Also I know in the NHS there is not always 12 hours between shifts at my place of work I can finish a late at 21:30 and have to be back at 7 the following morning.
 
Your poll options are somewhat biased to give more of a closed answer, producing an result more likely to favour you...

But its illegal and unreasonable and I would have brought this up. I would however turn up to work, and then speak to HR about it.
 
Mrs Seabiscuit said:
Firstly that's ludicrous! Your wife is right not to go in especially between two nights. Also I know in the NHS there is not always 12 hours between shifts at my place of work I can finish a late at 21:30 and have to be back at 7 the following morning.
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Yes but thats where the average of 11hrs comes into it, also the NHS would got trying to arrange a course between 21:30pm and 7am.

KaHn
 
Flat out refuse here tbh.
Minimum 11 hours between shifts.

If its mandatory then it should've been planned in advanced within the normal shift times.

As above if you agree once to this type of thing then they'll just use it against you an expect it all the time.
 
Be interesting to see how this turns out, especially after there non-acceptance of you phoning up and advising she wouldn't be in.
 
I blatantly misread the poll options. Please knock one from the "this is acceptable" pile and stick it on the "this is unacceptable" pile.
 
Any employer who would "request" that someone do this (knowing that they certainly could not legally demand it) is unlikely to ever be a decent employer. So your wife needs to bear that in mind. Hopefully it's just a case of someone at the particular home messing up the rotas, realising the training has to be done very soon, and panicking.

I think the "averaging" which means you can have less than 11 hours between shifts (and more than 48(?) hours worked a week) is flexible to allow for reasonable exceptions, but not designed to allow employers to extract urine... which this lot most certainly are in this case.

Without union involvement though, the problem is finding someone to back you in situations like this. The world is changing fast for people at the lower end of the pay ladder and I think unions are going to need to reassert themselves as a potentially positive force in the workplace; especially if we leave the EU. (And I say that as someone who's never been in a union).
 
has poor manager/management written all over it. Or they trying to frustrate you and force your hand and do something stupid to get you sacked!
 
My wife works nights as a carer and gets the exact expectations with her work. She tells them she cant make it, they dont like it and even tried to make her pay for the cost of training in the past :rolleyes:

The people that run these places will try anything they can get away with if you so much as give them an inch. I can imagine if she was foreign they wouldn't let her get away with turning down the training / meetings.
 
HGV drivers are expected to do 15 hours on, 9 hours off upto 3 times per week and then upto 13 on with 11 off for the remainder.....

If its safe for them (you tell me!!) then I'm sure it's ok for "X"

It's not very good planning by management I'd guess, a similar problem I have in my line of work....
 
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Scania said:
HGV drivers are expected to do 15 hours on, 9 hours off upto 3 times per week and then upto 13 on with 11 off for the remainder.....

If its safe for them (you tell me!!) then I'm sure it's ok for "X"

It's not very good planning by management I'd guess, a similar problem I have in my line of work....
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It's not only bad management it contravenes the eu working directives.
 
platypus said:
It's not only bad management it contravenes the eu working directives.
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I assume you mean it contravenes the EU directive for care workers? - it's a pity that the very same EU deem it perfectly safe to work the sort of hours I quote driving a 44ton truck.....

Pretty scary when you think about it eh?
 
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