Upgrade from 6700k to 11400 would you ?

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 9 Apr 2021 at 22:06

Danny75 said:
Yes. 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes from CPU and x16 for GPU and x4 for Gen4 NVME if you have it set up like that.

Yes but we're onto the chipset lanes now. 12 for B560, 20 for H570. However, if you look at a H570 like the ASRock Steel legend it still only has one M.2 slot at PCIe 4.0. Asus TUF Gaming PRO the same, just the one Gen4 M.2 slot. So you don't get more PCIe 4.0 M.2 functionality with H570 as these require CPU lanes not chipset, as far as I know.

The extra chipset lanes on H570 could prove useful in terms of not making PCIe slots for expansion cards redundant if too many M.2 slots are occupied, for example. But the latter is just a guess as I haven't looked into that specifically on H570 to see how board vendors are employing the extra chipset lanes.

Its a bit weird as some B560 motherboards don't list PCI-E 4.0 NVME SSD compatibility:
https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/B560 Pro4/index.asp#Specification

The H570 version does:
https://www.asrock.com/MB/Intel/H570M Pro4/index.asp

So it does seem with the B560 you need to check if the manufacturer has enabled support!

mickyflinn said:
https://www.anandtech.com/show/1651...ard-overview-30-budget-models-for-rocket-lake

There are 12 pcie3 lanes on the chipset and 20 pcie4 from the cpu, confusing.

Intel and confusing - never! :cry:

Journey · 9 Apr 2021 at 22:07

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its a bit weird as some B560 motherboards don't list PCI-E 4.0 NVME SSD compatibility:

You need to read more carefully, it is listed as Hyper M.2. Every B560 has at least one M.2 4.0 slot on the board.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 9 Apr 2021 at 22:15

Journey said:
You need to read more carefully, it is listed as Hyper M.2. Every B560 has at least one M.2 4.0 slot on the board.

HyperM2 - what is with Intel and its naming?? :rolleyes:

OTH,its made the motherboard choices a bit cheaper now!

Journey · 9 Apr 2021 at 22:21

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
HyperM2 - what is with Intel and its naming??

OTH,its made the motherboard choices a bit cheaper now!

In the last week alone I've gone through 5 different B560 boards, the best one for value was the MSI B560M PRO-VDH WIFI, ~£95 and it has 2.5Gb Ethernet, Intel Wi-Fi 6e, 4x RAM slots and 2x M.2 slots, no USB-C or TB 4 though.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 9 Apr 2021 at 22:43

Journey said:
In the last week alone I've gone through 5 different B560 boards, the best one for value was the MSI B560M PRO-VDH WIFI, ~£95 and it has 2.5Gb Ethernet, Intel Wi-Fi 6e, 4x RAM slots and 2x M.2 slots, no USB-C or TB 4 though.

Now we need to wait until they come into stock!

Journey · 9 Apr 2021 at 22:58

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Now we need to wait until they come into stock!

Yes, its seems the plebs don't have access to many right now.

Joxeon · 9 Apr 2021 at 23:15

You could probably sell the 6700K + board for £250 making the 11400F + B560 essentially a free upgrade so definitely worth it IMO.

spluff · 10 Apr 2021 at 07:58

will stick it on the members market then

~>Dg<~ · 10 Apr 2021 at 09:25

Joxeon said:
You could probably sell the 6700K + board for £250 making the 11400F + B560 essentially a free upgrade so definitely worth it IMO.

you wont get 250 for it even on the best day. realistically its £150 without ram. its still a good price though considering how old it is.

whats the vrms like on the MSI B560M PRO-VDH WIFI ~?

Joxeon · 10 Apr 2021 at 11:20

~>Dg<~ said:
you wont get 250 for it even on the best day. realistically its £150 without ram. its still a good price though considering how old it is.

whats the vrms like on the MSI B560M PRO-VDH WIFI ~?

Maybe not on MM but the cheapest used 6700K buy it now price starts a £150 elsewhere.

uscool · 10 Apr 2021 at 11:23

£150 just for 6700k ? Surely not I myself will be looking to get rid of mine managed to bag 5800x for £307

~>Dg<~ · 10 Apr 2021 at 12:42

Joxeon said:
Maybe not on MM but the cheapest used 6700K buy it now price starts a £150 elsewhere.

the 6700k go for 100 pound on ebay every day i know been watching them. boards worth about 50 quid. so 150 all in for both. no one in there right mind without memory is paying 250 pounds for a board and just a 6700k.

Journey · 10 Apr 2021 at 13:52

Going rate for a 6700K is ~£120-160 on the auction site, the same combo board CPU just sold for £200, and £191, and like I said o the first page and first person to suggest selling it, do so with the RAM you'll get £220-270. No point in keeping the RAM if it is old DDR4, you can get decent Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz for £65 which is Micron E-die and will go to 4000MHz without breaking a sweat.
Other option is to sell it as a system, buy a cheap £35 RGB case, £30 PSU, and £25 240GB SSD, and you'll get £350 for it on FB or one of the other ads pages.

uscool · 10 Apr 2021 at 13:58

thats suprising I have 6700k and Maximus VIII Hero but always fear the worst selling on auction site,, might just sell it here in M&M will have to think about it

spluff · 10 Apr 2021 at 14:40

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Its dependent on TDP and cooling. The lower figure is for multicore AVX benchmarks,when it is configured at a 65W TDP with the stock cooler.

However,if you have a better cooler,and raise the TDP limit from say 65W to 95W,then it will boost much higher than the 2.6GHZ minimum clockspeed. Stuff such as gaming also will usually have higher clockspeeds anyway as its less demanding.

Do all B560 and H570 motherboards allow changing the TDP limit with 11400F cpu?

Is it easy to do?

Pete @r... · 10 Apr 2021 at 14:52

~>Dg<~ said:
what you on about ? whens it been the other way round ?

When intel were slightly ahead of 3 series but more expensive you still told people to pay more for the intel

Rroff · 10 Apr 2021 at 15:00

My 4 core 8 thread 4820K was still powering through most stuff fine but I was starting to see some cases where 6 cores / 12 threads was an advantage - I wouldn't say it is as essential as some are making out but it is why I upgraded to a 6 core / 12 thread CPU.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 10 Apr 2021 at 16:23

spluff said:
Do all B560 and H570 motherboards allow changing the TDP limit with 11400F cpu?

Is it easy to do?

I recently got a Core i5 10400 and a B460 mini-ITX motherboard for not too much,and I can configure TDP in the BIOS,especially for short term boosts. It did make a difference. Also look at the review I linked in post 13 - the reviewer basically increased the TDP,used a better CPU cooler and the CPU boosts much higher as a result.

spluff · 10 Apr 2021 at 16:24

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I recently got a Core i5 10400 and a B460 mini-ITX motherboard for not too much,and I can configure TDP in the BIOS,especially for short term boosts. It did make a difference. Also look at the review I linked in post 13 - the reviewer basically increased the TDP,used a better CPU cooler and the CPU boosts much higher as a result.

Yeah it looks good but wondering if all motherboards allow this?

spluff · 10 Apr 2021 at 17:08

Journey said:
Going rate for a 6700K is ~£120-160 on the auction site, the same combo board CPU just sold for £200, and £191, and like I said o the first page and first person to suggest selling it, do so with the RAM you'll get £220-270. No point in keeping the RAM if it is old DDR4, you can get decent Crucial Ballistix 3200MHz for £65 which is Micron E-die and will go to 4000MHz without breaking a sweat.
Other option is to sell it as a system, buy a cheap £35 RGB case, £30 PSU, and £25 240GB SSD, and you'll get £350 for it on FB or one of the other ads pages.

Is this the memory you were mentioning?

Crucial Ballistix BL2K16G32C16U4B 3200 MHz, DDR4