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Upgrade from 6700k to 11400 would you ?

~>Dg<~ said:
basically you use at full power get 4.4ghz. you will need a different cooler other than the stock one for this. you dont need a expensive one just one better than stock.
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I have a Noctua NH-D14 which has dual coolers on which should be okay
 
spluff said:
I'm using a widescreen X34 Predator 3440x1440 and mostly I'm getting my 100fps (which is monitor refresh) Cyberpunk drops a bit, but im holding off playing that until its better patched.

I was thinking of the upgrade as what you said - it should be minimal cost if i get a decent price for my 6700k and motherboard and keep my memory. (seen 6700k selling for around £130 and mobo £70 on ebay - not sure i would get that though)

Would i still be able to use my Noctua NH-D14 or would i have to get another cpu hs/fan?
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Hi, I got £150 for my 6700k and £65 for Hero VIII .... time to stop hobbling your mighty 3080 with a 6 year old cpu ;) The way I look at it, matching £1k's worth (!) of high end gpu with even current low end Intel doesn't make sense, to futureproof things go 8 core 5800x/11700k then you are still covered with newer/future core-hungry games and not cpu bottlenecked for several years even beyond your 3080. This 'balance' doesn't come cheap unfortunately.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
no way id pay inflated 5600 prices for about 6 percent extra performance
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If you add the motherboard, say 150
11400 costs 150
5600X costs 300

You choose to pay 300 for 6% vs 450 for 11%. Considering FPS is a game of diminishing returns, I think second option is better.
But really, both are bad. 3080 owner shouldn't be counting pennies on CPU/memory.
 
spluff said:
So this is kinda like overclocking but using the TDP? I am more concerned ingame performance.

Also I have been recommended the B560 and H570 motherboards - whats the difference? Which is better?
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Yes,but as long as your motherboard is not totally crap and you have a solid enough cooler you should be fine.

I did tests with my Core i5 10400 in a 5L Velka 5 case,and even with the el-cheapo B460 mini-ITX motherboard I have,if you whack up the TDP limits it boost consistently higher. If I reduce it to a low level,it will boost less. AMD had something similar called cTDP,and even AMD Precision Boost can be modified in a similar way IIRC.

alec said:
If you add the motherboard, say 150
11400 costs 150
5600X costs 300

You choose to pay 300 for 6% vs 450 for 11%. Considering FPS is a game of diminishing returns, I think second option is better.
But really, both are bad. 3080 owner shouldn't be counting pennies on CPU/memory.
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The Core i5 11400 is fantastic value for money,and the Ryzen 5 5600X is costing twice that amount for a few percent more.It also funny how people conveniently forget,the AMD Ryzen 5 3600 is the closest CPU in actual price to the Core i5 11400 and is easily beaten.The Core i5 10400F has been as low as £120 and is as fast or faster than a Ryzen 5 3600 in a B560/H570 motherboard. It does not even consume that much power(around the same as a Ryzen 5 3600 according to Gamersnexus). Then you have the Core i5 10600K for not much more,and the Core i7 10700F which has been as low as £200~£230 IIRC.

If anything,you can get the Ryzen 7 5800X in bundle deals for around the £350~£400 mark,which is actually cheaper per core. So I don't actually understand why the Ryzen 5 5600X costs so much. You might as well get a Ryzen 7 5800X then!!
 
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I'm confident we'll see a Ryzen 5600 (non-X) in the very near future as AMD aren't going to want to leave Intel with the goto mainstream price/performance CPU in the i5-11400 for long.

Back on topic for the OP looking at a few geekbench benchmarks I'd agree that the 11400 doesn't seem much faster then the 6700k you already have? Maybe only around 20% faster in single core and 30% multi core. I can't imagine that would make much difference in any game or most productivity apps?

Would be interested to hear from anyone who's made a similar upgrade and whether they felt it was worth it? My personal experience with upgrades is that unless you can gain at least a 50-100% improvement then it's not worth making a change unless it's needed for a specific app/game or task.

I know that itch to upgrade, especially when your kit is 5 years old, but I think as others have suggested you'd need to buy something faster than an i5-11400 to be meaningfully better then what you have.
 
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spluff said:
Can someone explain why using a i5-11400 which has

base clock 2.6Ghz and boost 4.4GHz

would be better than my i7-6700k which has

base clock 4Ghz and boost 4.5Ghz
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The architecture improves and becomes more efficient, basically like a petrol engine which improves of generation's.
 
most modern games want 6 cores right now another 2 years probably 8. so even if 20 percent faster single core and 30 multi thats a great upgrade that costs you hardly anything. also remember 6700ks wont hold 100 quid for that long once some of these modern cpus become more mainstream. why would you buy old i7s for 100 quid when you can get faster modern more cores brand new for the same price.
 
silvagti said:
I'm confident we'll see a Ryzen 5600 (non-X) in the very near future as AMD aren't going to want to leave Intel with the goto mainstream price/performance CPU in the i5-11400 for long.

Back on topic for the OP looking at a few geekbench benchmarks I'd agree that the 11400 doesn't seem much faster then the 6700k you already have? Maybe only around 20% faster in single core and 30% multi core. I can't imagine that would make much difference in any game or most productivity apps?

Would be interested to hear from anyone who's made a similar upgrade and whether they felt it was worth it? My personal experience with upgrades is that unless you can gain at least a 50-100% improvement then it's not worth making a change unless it's needed for a specific app/game or task.

I know that itch to upgrade, especially when your kit is 5 years old, but I think as others have suggested you'd need to buy something faster than an i5-11400 to be meaningfully better then what you have.
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yeah me too

Still wondering which mobo is better the H570 vs the B560 (for gaming)? They both have just been released i think? I cant see why you would chose one over another?
 
Quartz said:
If you look on CPUBenchmark.net you will see that the 11400 has about twice the score of the 6700. So it would be a substantial productivity upgrade. Gaming-wise, not so much.
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Are there any real world apps where you'll see an improvement anywhere near that though?
 
Danny75 said:
B560 can do PCIe 4.0 on first slot, PCIe 3.0 on others. https://www.msi.com/Motherboard/MAG-B560-TOMAHAWK-WIFI/Specification

Of course one would have to check the particular motherboard in case there are exemptions to the rule.
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Is the together with the PCI-E slot running at PCI-E 4.0?? I was under the impression the chipset on the H570 supported more PCI-E lanes??

spluff said:
That seems good and more future proof to me if thats the only difference :)
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Some of the H570 motherboards cost the same as the B560 ones too. The ASRock Intel H570 PHANTOM GAMING 4 and ASRock Intel H570M PRO4 are around £100.
 
CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Is the together with the PCI-E slot running at PCI-E 4.0??
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Yes. 20 PCIe 4.0 lanes from CPU and x16 for GPU and x4 for Gen4 NVME if you have it set up like that.


CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
I was under the impression the chipset on the H570 supported more PCI-E lanes??
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Yes but we're onto the chipset lanes now. 12 for B560, 20 for H570. However, if you look at a H570 like the ASRock Steel legend it still only has one M.2 slot at PCIe 4.0. Asus TUF Gaming PRO the same, just the one Gen4 M.2 slot. So you don't get more PCIe 4.0 M.2 functionality with H570 as these require CPU lanes not chipset, as far as I know.

The extra chipset lanes on H570 could prove useful in terms of not making PCIe slots for expansion cards redundant if too many M.2 slots are occupied, for example. But the latter is just a guess as I haven't looked into that specifically on H570 to see how board vendors are employing the extra chipset lanes.
 
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