That's exactly how I feel.
US election 2012
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Caporegime
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Obama is literally no better, he's just the guy taking the role of ultra left, the other guy playing the role of ultra right, and everyone focuses on how different what they say is, rather than the fact that both would do exactly the same as each other on all the major issues.
If he wasn't democrat people might stand up and realise that Obama was just the guy who went in and voted as left as possible on everything. Your "average" politician would vote right sometimes, left a bit more often and average far more left than right, Obama is that nut who just went "ultra left" and voted that way every time.
He's black, and a democrat so no one would basically point out he's a weirdo, he lied to get in power, has done basically nothing him promised and done plenty of things he said point blank he wouldn't do. Peace prize, for someone who didn't do what he promised in regard to basically ending the war the day he took charge(infact he began by promising he'd end the war and pull out of Iraq several months before he actually took office).
Obama's a pratt, Romney's a pratt, they are both happy when people say one is better than the other. Whenever someone believes Obama is "better" than the other, they vote Obama and think they will get a better outcome... when someone votes Romney because they believe he's better, they think they'll get a better outcome.
You get the same outcome either way but people are somehow fooled into thinking they'll change it.
This doesn't really take into account the ignorant people who just say stupid things. When we pay less tax "we all win", seriously, when your kid dies because of underfunded healthcare, thats winning, because the poor and rich guy pays less tax?
If Obama or the conservatives really wanted change, there would be HUGE massive campaigns to remove every tax loophole, same with labour here. Instead of Labour here killing themselves to remove every tax loophole, they hammer Conservatives over it, while all taking advantage themselves.
They know people are so completely blinded by party lines and the crap they spout that Livingston thought nothing of accusing a Tory opponent of hiding taxes, while knowing full well he did as well and it turned out the Labour guy has paid smeg all tax, avoided every penny possible while trying to win elections on the idea that labour think this is bad and would change it.
Both parties lie, both parties want your votes, yet to do nothing different and change nothing major because they are all profiting off it.
Every person who says Obama is better than Romney, is simply buying into the idea there is any difference between them. Thank god everyone focuses on the completely pointless crap that makes them different, and ignores all the massive huge, epic things both parties refuse to change when they are in power
I really don't think that there'll be much difference if Romney gets into power. I haven't read as perhaps as much as I should have read, but then again I'm not so interested in US politics any more (though I understand the ramifications that their decisions/actions have on us).
4 years ago I watched it all unfold on the BBC and told people that this Obama chap is a chump and his promises and the weird love that people have for him is misplaced and the things that he has promised are undeliverable. It was bizarre seeing people over here walking around with 'Yes We Can' t-shirts on.
Ultimately, I think that Obama will win both the popular vote and the electoral college vote and I don't think anything much will change.
I'll probably watch some of it on the TV until the early hours but I won't be watching it right until the end. I'm also expecting legal challenges.
4 years ago I watched it all unfold on the BBC and told people that this Obama chap is a chump and his promises and the weird love that people have for him is misplaced and the things that he has promised are undeliverable. It was bizarre seeing people over here walking around with 'Yes We Can' t-shirts on.
Ultimately, I think that Obama will win both the popular vote and the electoral college vote and I don't think anything much will change.
I'll probably watch some of it on the TV until the early hours but I won't be watching it right until the end. I'm also expecting legal challenges.
Ultra left? It's a push to call him even slightly left.
Soldato
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Obama is literally no better, he's just the guy taking the role of ultra left, the other guy playing the role of ultra right, and everyone focuses on how different what they say is, rather than the fact that both would do exactly the same as each other on all the major issues.
If he wasn't democrat people might stand up and realise that Obama was just the guy who went in and voted as left as possible on everything. Your "average" politician would vote right sometimes, left a bit more often and average far more left than right, Obama is that nut who just went "ultra left" and voted that way every time.
He's black, and a democrat so no one would basically point out he's a weirdo, he lied to get in power, has done basically nothing him promised and done plenty of things he said point blank he wouldn't do. Peace prize, for someone who didn't do what he promised in regard to basically ending the war the day he took charge(infact he began by promising he'd end the war and pull out of Iraq several months before he actually took office).
Obama's a pratt, Romney's a pratt, they are both happy when people say one is better than the other. Whenever someone believes Obama is "better" than the other, they vote Obama and think they will get a better outcome... when someone votes Romney because they believe he's better, they think they'll get a better outcome.
You get the same outcome either way but people are somehow fooled into thinking they'll change it.
This doesn't really take into account the ignorant people who just say stupid things. When we pay less tax "we all win", seriously, when your kid dies because of underfunded healthcare, thats winning, because the poor and rich guy pays less tax?
If Obama or the conservatives really wanted change, there would be HUGE massive campaigns to remove every tax loophole, same with labour here. Instead of Labour here killing themselves to remove every tax loophole, they hammer Conservatives over it, while all taking advantage themselves.
They know people are so completely blinded by party lines and the crap they spout that Livingston thought nothing of accusing a Tory opponent of hiding taxes, while knowing full well he did as well and it turned out the Labour guy has paid smeg all tax, avoided every penny possible while trying to win elections on the idea that labour think this is bad and would change it.
Both parties lie, both parties want your votes, yet to do nothing different and change nothing major because they are all profiting off it.
Every person who says Obama is better than Romney, is simply buying into the idea there is any difference between them. Thank god everyone focuses on the completely pointless crap that makes them different, and ignores all the massive huge, epic things both parties refuse to change when they are in power
not even going on policies i still think obama is the more clued up of the 2. some of the stuff romney comes out with gives me shivers that such an imbecile can even be close to having such power.
arent the democrats the least warmongering of the 2? republicans seem to love a good war.
i wouldnt vote either as i have issues with people who are religious anyway. they are all a bit weird to me. i want policies based on evidence not 2000 year old chinese whispers...
Soldato
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+1
obama is more right than cameron. its just that romney is so far right he is out of the hemisphere.
Why?
I felt the same way about bush in 2000 and that turned out okay-Oh...
Yeah thanks a bunch Ralph Nader!*
*Nader was the no hoper who ran for office in 2000 and actually managed to steal enough Gore votes away to cost Gore the presidency.
From what I've seen of Al Gore, he might have been worse than Bush, and we would have been starved of comedic gold
I'm staying up tonight. 
I think that Obama is going to win the popular vote and the electoral college, and it's not going to be as thin as the media has made out (in the electoral college, at least). Obama is going to win 281 college votes, with Mitt taking 257 as a result of Ohio going blue. That, plus the fact that ten out of the twelve battleground states are leaning or strongly leaning Democrat.
Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight is giving the president a 91.6 per cent chance of being reelected. It's a pretty safe bet, I think.
It's just going to come down to who manages to get the vote out, and the Republican grass roots operation pales in comparison to that of the Democratic one. One figure to justify that is that (allegedly) the Obama campaign have contacted (either face to face, or with a person to person phone call) over 125million Americans, that's one in every two and a half people in the US. That, compared to the Romney campaign boasting about having contacted 50million, and even that includes robo-calling and just posting flyers.
Obama 2012.
I think that Obama is going to win the popular vote and the electoral college, and it's not going to be as thin as the media has made out (in the electoral college, at least). Obama is going to win 281 college votes, with Mitt taking 257 as a result of Ohio going blue. That, plus the fact that ten out of the twelve battleground states are leaning or strongly leaning Democrat.
Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight is giving the president a 91.6 per cent chance of being reelected. It's a pretty safe bet, I think.
It's just going to come down to who manages to get the vote out, and the Republican grass roots operation pales in comparison to that of the Democratic one. One figure to justify that is that (allegedly) the Obama campaign have contacted (either face to face, or with a person to person phone call) over 125million Americans, that's one in every two and a half people in the US. That, compared to the Romney campaign boasting about having contacted 50million, and even that includes robo-calling and just posting flyers.
Obama 2012.
Where to begin!
So many of his promises/policies that I've heard from him have been absolutely ridiculous. I don't agree on many of his opinions, and generally think he'd be damaging to America, politically and economically worldwide. I wouldn't be surprised if he launched America into another war if he became President.
You have a point in that they are, broadly speaking, working within the same system and therefore are part of it. But to say that there is no difference between them on important issues is simply to demonstrate a complete ignorance of what they have said and what they have done. In order for what you have said to make sense, you must think that the following list contains a load of 'pointless crap'.Every person who says Obama is better than Romney, is simply buying into the idea there is any difference between them. Thank god everyone focuses on the completely pointless crap that makes them different, and ignores all the massive huge, epic things both parties refuse to change when they are in power
- Trying to do something to fight climate change
- Trying to maintain high environmental standards for business (re waste, emissions, air and water pollution)
- Whether or not women should have access to contraception
- Whether or not gays should have the right to be married
- Whether or not you want the Supreme Court to have another right wing extremist (which would probably lead to Roe vs Wade being overturned)
- Whether or not you think the US military needs $2trillion more over the next decade (not such a good point, as they both maintain the need for military spending nearing $1trillion per year, but the point remains)
Hardly pointless crap.
Also, read Dreams From My Father and No Apology, and tell me that neither one is 'better'.
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I'm staying up tonight.
I think that Obama is going to win the popular vote and the electoral college, and it's not going to be as thin as the media has made out (in the electoral college, at least).
I believe Obama will take the electoral college vote easily, but it'll be impressive if he wins the popular vote as well. I think that's where the real uncertainty lies.
^^ This.
Americans don't realise just how insanely, catastrophically right wing their nation is when compared to the rest of the Western world. Most other nations simply don't have a political equivalent to the Republicans (unless we include Greece, in which case... meet Golden Dawn).
Remember, this is a country where universal healthcare is rejected as 'socialism'!
