US kills Iran's General Soleimani

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Amnesia said:
Didnt it go down a few hours after the missiles had been launched ?
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Was just looking into that.

According to quotes on the BBC timeline reporting:

Iran launched missiles at 5:30pm EST

Plane reported to have come down at 2:42 GMT (9:42pm EST)

Just over 4 hours after the missile attack so unlikely it collided with a missile mid air unless there was the beginning of another wave. Maybe shot down by someone jittery from either side following the recent events or just very bad luck.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-51029181?ns_mchannel=social&ns_source=twitter&ns_campaign=bbc_live&ns_linkname=5e15275b5b314306709e0382&Pentagon: 'These missiles were launched from Iran'&2020-01-08T00:55:17.117Z&ns_fee=0&pinned_post_locator=urn:asset:903f9cb1-20f7-4a3c-9170-d6129eda1ad6&pinned_post_asset_id=5e15275b5b314306709e0382&pinned_post_type=share

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-51029994
 

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Orionaut said:
Pretty sure I read earlier that, according to US reports of the attack, of the missiles fired, nearly a third failed in flight.

They seem about as reliable as Congreve rockets!

Nothing to see here, move along people...
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So, they copied the old Soviet Scud and made it worse? I guess the smart Iranians left after the Shah was deposed.
 

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Buckster said:
I have to admit I am surprised by how low down the aircraft loss seems to be in the media

Normally they'd have the regular experts speculating etc etc and seems very little of it

A lot of people died in rather odd circumstances I'm surprised not top of the news ?
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Because it’s not Trump’s fault and hence doesn’t fit their “Orange Man Bad” narrative?
 

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Not sure what to make of the plane situation. If they really are withholding the black box that is telling.

I've seen pictures online of puncture holes in the wings and body, that look like shrapnel impact marks. So if it was an accident either the engine must have exploded in mid air or small objects made these punctures on the impact explosion.

There must be a load of plane crash armchair experts on here that can verify.
 

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Amnesia said:
i just read they also gave prior warning to Iraq........
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As a "face saving" measure it works very well. Iran gets to have a "revenge" to give to it's people with "we killed 80 US" etc and in reality both the US and Iraq shrug off the ineffectual attack as if nothing much happened allowing both sides to step back, if both sides quietly agree to that of course.

However, now the web has allowed news to travel wider than previously, will the many Iranians who have access to the outside world believe their own side or instead believe the Iraqi/US version of events?
 

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ianh said:
As a "face saving" measure it works very well. Iran gets to have a "revenge" to give to it's people with "we killed 80 US" etc and in reality both the US and Iraq shrug off the ineffectual attack as if nothing much happened allowing both sides to step back, if both sides quietly agree to that of course.
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Funnily enough, it has just occurred to be that the supposed attack was so utterly pathetic that it really isn't worthy of any response other than laughter and derision. (Or if it was British forces, the time honoured Agincorian two fingered salute along with the jeering and catcalling that would traditionally go along with it)

Was this indeed deliberate??
 

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I doubt they deliberately missed, because although they might be able to present this domestically as a victory, they will surely realise that such an ineffective strike will make them look incompetent to everyone else. And although Iran has faced some internal pressures of lately, those pressures are not existential threats. A President Trump embolded by just how ineffective Iranian missiles are, could be!
 

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It doesn't help when the non-experts in the media are pointing to the remains of a missile body found miles away from the targets and saying "hurr durr Iran's rockets are rubbish and missed" when what they found is the just the empty 1st stage section of the rocket so, like Shuttle detaching its fuel tanks when they're empty, these remains are just the empty liquid fuel tank of a Qiam-1 missile and the warhead detached and kept going to its target, just like the picture below shows -

Dxc80IO.jpg

And the same white "TEL attachment point markings" on a sand coloured body as seen on the found rocket body -

mD27tQv.jpg

These can have a general purpose HE warhead accurate to around 500m (probably a little more) or a small precision guided warhead (GPS), no idea which was used.
 
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Orionaut said:
Funnily enough, it has just occurred to be that the supposed attack was so utterly pathetic that it really isn't worthy of any response other than laughter and derision. (Or if it was British forces, the time honoured Agincorian two fingered salute along with the jeering and catcalling that would traditionally go along with it)

Was this indeed deliberate??
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They get to tell their people that they have "avenged the murder of their hero".

We get to "laugh at their incompetence".

Then everyone gets to sit down and eat biscuits again.
 

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ianh said:
It doesn't help when the non-experts in the media are pointing to the remains of a missile body found miles away from the targets and saying "hurr durr Iran's rockets are rubbish and missed" when what they found is the just the empty 1st stage section of the rocket so, like Shuttle detaching its fuel tanks when they're empty, these remains are just the empty liquid fuel tank of a Qiam-1 missile and the warhead detached and kept going to its target, just like the picture below shows -

Dxc80IO.jpg

And the same white "TEL attachment point markings" on a sand coloured body as seen on the found rocket body -

mD27tQv.jpg

These can have a general purpose HE warhead accurate to around 500m (probably a little more) or a small precision guided warhead (GPS), no idea which was used.
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Surely it would be much further from the target though.
 
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