UT3 PS3 keyboard/mouse confirmed

Tefal · 7 Aug 2007 at 06:09

Surely you cant say this is bad or unfair if you want to play against people with joy pads to click that option an only play those servers.

KNiVES · 7 Aug 2007 at 17:20

Gerard said:
Theyre not, each platform is seperate online, no pc vs 360, or 360 vs ps3 or ps3 vs pc.

http://www.psu.com/PS3-UTIII-To-Have-Cross-Platform-Play-News--a894-p0.php

Research. Ain't it such a nice skill to have ?

As for Krono - I think you'll find I'm pretty sharp with a joypad. Your response seems to imply I've touched a nerve somewhere. Sorry about that.

Manlove is my forte · 7 Aug 2007 at 18:30

KNiVES said:
As for Krono - I think you'll find I'm pretty sharp with a joypad. Your response seems to imply I've touched a nerve somewhere. Sorry about that.

Not so much hit a nerve, but I generally dislike this "We need a Keyboard and Mouse" argument that PC FPS gamers tend to use. I was trying to explain I used to be a very good PC FPS gamer, I just opted to move to a "Better" control method and find it much more enjoyable and in many ways preferable to the KB/M.

I personally do not believe that the control method (certainly in most xbox FPS games) is a limiting factor to a players ability. If you are good at computer games then you will be able to adapt to whatever control system is put in front of you. The need to replace the standard controller with an alternate piece of hardware, says to me that there is a user problem not a controller problem. Especially in 360 games, where the whole game experience is tailored to the control method. So its not a case of KB/M being superior controls, its more a case of the people shouting loudest about this are not as good gamers as they think they are.

I'm not sure I have said this very well but what I am trying to say above is. Technical skill with the input device can be mastered to a high degree by anyone that puts in the practice. Its the mentality of the player that separates the good players from the great players. The Great players may not be any more accurate than the good players with the chosen input device. However they are better at reading/analyzing the game better at path-finding through the levels, better at equipping themselves with the right weapons/ammo/armor/health/power-ups/etc. Better at using the environment to their benefit, they have better timing etc. You get what I'm saying.

So thats why I get annoyed by this "This game would be better with KB/M support" because I think that statement is used as an excuse to cover the fact that you got pwned. The real statement should be "You wouldn't get away with that against me in CSS"

Edit: You have Xbox mail

KNiVES · 7 Aug 2007 at 18:46

I agree with you Krono - in fact if you browse the PC forums you probably notice that I have said that despite having a good PC, I'm opting to go for console versions of games such as Bioshock, Call of Duty 4 and Unreal Tournament 3. I prefer the joypads over m/kb combo. There is a hint of credibility to the opinions that m/kb can lend more accuracy and flexibility to a player than joypads can, but the differences are marginal at best. A good joypad player can thrash the vast majority of m/kb users.

edit: request accepted

Margaret · 7 Aug 2007 at 18:51

KNiVES said:
A good joypad player can thrash the vast majority of m/kb users.

Good joypad player vs good kb/m player?

The whole kb/m vs joypad thing has always phased me, I don't mind either but I 100% prefer a mouse for sniping, trying GoW with a mouse with the sniper should be so much better.

For BioShock I might just lay back on my sofa and use my 360 pad on my PC sometimes, rarely but if I ever feel like sitting back from the screen I'll just do that instead of getting the 360 version.

Nanoman · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:00

If both the mouse and the joypad have the same cursor speeds then i think it will be pretty even, the only advantage of a mouse i feel is its speed. FPS gaming on consoles now-a-days is pretty amazing and the accuracy of a pad is pretty pin point (clearly based on skill aswell!) I think its just a case of 360 fanboys jealous of something good on a console they dont own!

Margaret · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:11

Nanoman said:
accuracy of a pad is pretty pin point (clearly based on skill aswell!)

Not really it's far from pin point on both the 360 and PS3, aiming at small targets is still pretty annoying where as with the mouse it is far easier as expected.

Also I don't see why 360 fanboys should be annoyed, everything is 100% fair on the 360 as everyone has the same hardware and controller, unlike the PS3 people will have better quality mouses than others which does make a difference. PS3 needs the kb/m support more than the 360 does due to the controller.

KNiVES · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:26

Well, Halo 2 Vista shows that there really isn't that much of a disparity.

wannabedamned · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:27

Jihad said:
PS3 needs the kb/m support more than the 360 does due to the controller.

Definately, As much as I like the PS pad style, And I know a lot of people don't, When it comes to FPS games, The xbox pad was seemingly designed with Shooters in mind.

That said, RPGs like Final Fantasy, And Action games like God of War and Metal Gear, Fighting games of all kinds, I couldnt imagine working on an Xbox pad, not to the extent they work on the PS pad.

KNiVES · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:29

I can understand that, but God of War would be fine. Ninja Gaiden argubly creams God of War and it's fine with the Xbox controller. Just a tangent.

wannabedamned · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:31

KNiVES said:
I can understand that, but God of War would be fine. Ninja Gaiden argubly creams God of War and it's fine with the Xbox controller. Just a tangent.

Yeah, I know Ninja Gaiden works, I love it. And maybe I was wrong, Never thought of that. But i stand by my other selections

Margaret · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:31

KNiVES said:
Well, Halo 2 Vista shows that there really isn't that much of a disparity.

For the most part it's fine for Halo, though it would be nice to have a mouse for the sniper.

I'm not overly fussed though, I'm perfectly happy using the controller.

Edit: I didn't mind MGS on the Xbox pad, but I didn't like it on the GC pad one bit.

Zefan · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:33

wannabedamned said:
Yeah, I know Ninja Gaiden works, I love it. And maybe I was wrong, Never thought of that. But i stand by my other selections

Tomb raider, sonic and crackdown work wonderfully on the 360 controller. They've really hit a sweet spot with the controller in my opinion. It is just so comfortable.

Supercow · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:34

Nanoman said:
If both the mouse and the joypad have the same cursor speeds then i think it will be pretty even, the only advantage of a mouse i feel is its speed. FPS gaming on consoles now-a-days is pretty amazing and the accuracy of a pad is pretty pin point (clearly based on skill aswell!) I think its just a case of 360 fanboys jealous of something good on a console they dont own!

So what you're saying is that, a gamepad and a leyboard, all things being equal, the two ways of controlling will not have any advantage over another?

... and in a game like UT no less??

Yes the Pad is accurate in a console shooter, but plug a pad in and use it on your PC (try UT04 if you wish to test this out) and you will see how ridicilous your theory sounds.

KNiVES · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:37

I would imagine that twitch shooters like Quake 3 would be very difficult with a joypad - especially rocket jumps and all that. But games of that ilk were made for mouse and keyboards, while games were made for the joypad like Halo, that feels so natural and proper with the controllers. I would imagine that Unreal Tournmanet 3 is going to feel decidedly slower than its predecessors because of the large focus on consoles.

Supercow · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:38

KNiVES said:
I would imagine that Unreal Tournmanet 3 is going to feel decidedly slower than its predecessors because of the large focus on consoles.

hehe, Me thinks you have not kept up to date with UT3

"andy" · 7 Aug 2007 at 19:51

hmm i just downloaded the trailer and remembered why i dont like the UT series

bfar · 7 Aug 2007 at 20:18

kb/m is more comfortable for certain games, joypads for others.

For fps games you can't beat kb/m. The gamer should have the choice. And if epic have decided not to let players with different control methods go head to head, than everybody's happy right?

Don't really see the issue here. Besides, it was going to happen. Another step in the evolution of consoles, and I welcome it tbh. Opens up a whole basket of possibilities.

NokkonWud · 7 Aug 2007 at 21:50

Zefan said:
Tomb raider, sonic and crackdown work wonderfully on the 360 controller. They've really hit a sweet spot with the controller in my opinion. It is just so comfortable.

I would agree certainly that the 360 controller is the ULTIMATE control pad, it, for me at least, only has 1 flaw. It's D-Pad, thankfully its sticks are so good I don't mind as the d-pad is usually relegated to inventory selection.
I would say the opposite of the PS3 pad which has a phenomenal D-Pad, but terrible sticks, as a result I want to use the d-pad for controls and sticks for other stuff, unfortunately this isn't possible.
I'm also not much of a fan of the stick on the Wii-chuk, though 8-point movement has its advantages.

Edz · 7 Aug 2007 at 22:20

I'd agree that the 360 controller is a lot better for FPS than the PS3 controller, but IMO neither come even close to using M/KB especially in fast paced games.

Also cross network play is another welcome addition in my eyes, saves you spending a small fortune to upgrade your PC..

Definately considering this game now