Caporegime
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Ultimately I don't give a crap about titles, at all, they mean nothing in a sport like F1, its a nice trophy and money, which is great but ultimately, who cares.
If Button had signed for Red bull instead of Vettel, either Webber or Vettel would have 3 championships(okay 2 for sure, third, maybe, this year I think the superior driving of Vettel clinched a title the other two wouldn't have). If Kovo, Hamilton, Button, your mum, Schumi, Maldonado, Petrov, Michael Owen's tache, had been in that Red Bull last year, they'd have won the title.
Titles mean nothing, records like youngest ever to get whatever mean nothing. You could be at Red bull now for 3 years, and get lucky when the car gets good that you are there, conversely maybe he would have chosen to go to Merc, missed out for a few years, and won 10 from 2014 to 2024. Its luck about being in the right car at the right time. Not a single driver can say "I signed this year because I knew the car was better than the competition", Alonso could have moved on to Red bull had Ferrari gone elsewhere, now he'd have how ever many titles, thats life.
They are a measure of good fortune, not driving ability, Hamilton, Alonso, then maybe Vettel are the best drivers of this season and maybe the best in formula one currently in that order for me, other orders for others, Vettel COULD be brilliant, he's rarely shown it, and thats not his fault, he's rarely had to with that car.
Its the same as people crowing on about Messi scoring 300 goals by whenever the hell, yes, but not every top player gets picked up at 14, and gets into the first team at the worlds best team by a mile at the time. Had he been at, Spurs, and played for Spurs from 17 to 20, then moved somewhere else, he'd have scored far less goals. So much of this stuff is situational to the point where touting numbers becomes a meaningless game of unquantifiable rubbish.
The vast majority of F1 fans don't regard Vettel as the best driver, nor have done at any stage in the past 3 years, he's won three titles, the only thing we can conclude from that is.... titles aren't an indication of pure skill, so using them as a measure of who is the best, is worthless.
Like I said, screw titles, after a football season the games I watched and remember, are the games I watched and remember, the football that was played, was played, if 6 months later you tell me that game, those memories, were a title winning side, or a side that got relegated, that game remains the same, good or bad. I want to see good football, not bad football, I want to see good racing, not bad racing, I don't really care who wins in general, its nice to see the best driver do well, because more often than not, that means good racing. Arsenal improving and playing better football, would likely mean more titles, but its better football to watch that I want.
Screw titles, good racing, Alonso, Kimi, Hamilton, Grosjean(
), Kobe(not lately), Schumi, great racing, Vettel, mostly boring, more interesting than a lot of others.
Anyway next year, I think most people have it wrong, with fewer rule changes, ultimately there is only so far development goes before you start getting smaller and smaller improvements. I think Ferrari/Mclaren/Merc will look at all the killer features the Red bull has this year, and most of them will have them for next year. Merc has the longest way to go, but has increased spending while everyone else is cutting theirs, put a team together and teams take time to gel... Merc have the biggest reason for the greatest improvement.... though I don't think it will be enough to do anything useful. Ferrari and Mclaren I think will be closer to Red bull in car next year, but Mclaren are losing their only really competitive driver. Lotus... will be interesting to see if they can get things working a bit better next year, Kimi is awesome, when the car is there he's able to match anyone. Three way fight, Alonso, Kimi, Vettel, the cars will be closer but Red Bull still have the edge.
If Button had signed for Red bull instead of Vettel, either Webber or Vettel would have 3 championships(okay 2 for sure, third, maybe, this year I think the superior driving of Vettel clinched a title the other two wouldn't have). If Kovo, Hamilton, Button, your mum, Schumi, Maldonado, Petrov, Michael Owen's tache, had been in that Red Bull last year, they'd have won the title.
Titles mean nothing, records like youngest ever to get whatever mean nothing. You could be at Red bull now for 3 years, and get lucky when the car gets good that you are there, conversely maybe he would have chosen to go to Merc, missed out for a few years, and won 10 from 2014 to 2024. Its luck about being in the right car at the right time. Not a single driver can say "I signed this year because I knew the car was better than the competition", Alonso could have moved on to Red bull had Ferrari gone elsewhere, now he'd have how ever many titles, thats life.
They are a measure of good fortune, not driving ability, Hamilton, Alonso, then maybe Vettel are the best drivers of this season and maybe the best in formula one currently in that order for me, other orders for others, Vettel COULD be brilliant, he's rarely shown it, and thats not his fault, he's rarely had to with that car.
Its the same as people crowing on about Messi scoring 300 goals by whenever the hell, yes, but not every top player gets picked up at 14, and gets into the first team at the worlds best team by a mile at the time. Had he been at, Spurs, and played for Spurs from 17 to 20, then moved somewhere else, he'd have scored far less goals. So much of this stuff is situational to the point where touting numbers becomes a meaningless game of unquantifiable rubbish.
The vast majority of F1 fans don't regard Vettel as the best driver, nor have done at any stage in the past 3 years, he's won three titles, the only thing we can conclude from that is.... titles aren't an indication of pure skill, so using them as a measure of who is the best, is worthless.
Like I said, screw titles, after a football season the games I watched and remember, are the games I watched and remember, the football that was played, was played, if 6 months later you tell me that game, those memories, were a title winning side, or a side that got relegated, that game remains the same, good or bad. I want to see good football, not bad football, I want to see good racing, not bad racing, I don't really care who wins in general, its nice to see the best driver do well, because more often than not, that means good racing. Arsenal improving and playing better football, would likely mean more titles, but its better football to watch that I want.
Screw titles, good racing, Alonso, Kimi, Hamilton, Grosjean(
), Kobe(not lately), Schumi, great racing, Vettel, mostly boring, more interesting than a lot of others.Anyway next year, I think most people have it wrong, with fewer rule changes, ultimately there is only so far development goes before you start getting smaller and smaller improvements. I think Ferrari/Mclaren/Merc will look at all the killer features the Red bull has this year, and most of them will have them for next year. Merc has the longest way to go, but has increased spending while everyone else is cutting theirs, put a team together and teams take time to gel... Merc have the biggest reason for the greatest improvement.... though I don't think it will be enough to do anything useful. Ferrari and Mclaren I think will be closer to Red bull in car next year, but Mclaren are losing their only really competitive driver. Lotus... will be interesting to see if they can get things working a bit better next year, Kimi is awesome, when the car is there he's able to match anyone. Three way fight, Alonso, Kimi, Vettel, the cars will be closer but Red Bull still have the edge.
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