Vettel - 4 times WDC in 2013?

This is what the FIA has created. An incident occurs and every single fan shouts PUNISH THEM NOW!1!!!!!

It's racing, incidents do happen where you can't push blame on someone. Just because you don't like him that makes it a different matter right and he should be hung at dawn ;)

Why was Hulkenburg given a penalty and Seb not? Why was the Seb incident not even looked at?
 
I was talking about the yellow flag.

The collision was his fault but it was lap 1 and the FIA have let a lot of first lap things go this year as racing incidents. Plus everyone moans that there are too many penalties in F1.

After reading into a bit I concede on the yellow flag, however the incident on lap 1 was still a blatant error by Vettel who as a result ruined Senna's race. Other incidents on lap 1 this year which resulted in the end to someone's race have been punished, so why not Vettel's? There is no consistency at all.
 
Well the 2012 regulations probably hurt RD more than anyone yet they still managed to recover and have a great car in the 2nd half of the seasson. I think RB could afford for Mclaren to be ahead of them come 2013 but Vettel would still be able to trump Button/Perez. I expect Ferrari to be slightly more competative but even with Alonso's driving I doubt it will be enough to unsurp Vettel.

As for Mercades... I think they will be better than most expect and can see Lewis getting a few podiums.
 
The way I see it only drivers I consider to be WDC material are all the champions: Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton, Button and Kimi.

Kimi and Hamilton though on different teams I think will run into the same problem that while they will be there or there abouts due to their skill their cars just wont be fast enough.

Button: I expect Mclaren to be quick but I think Button will have a season much the se with ups and downs and not have the consistency to win another WDC.

Alonso: Get absolutely everything out of the car and be close to the WDC but due to having a slightly slower car not be able to win the WDC.

Vettel: Its going to be an evolution of this years car and with Newey, I will be shocked if it isn't the quickest out of the gate / all year.

I really hope I am wrong though and something comes out of the blue. Hamilton will always be my favorite choice to win but I really think he has 't got a chance so I would like to see Alonso win.

As for constructors though, that is Red Bulls to loose, their two challangers are McLaren or Ferrari. Neither McLaren driver will be consistent enough through set up for Button and mistakes for Perez. I hope Massa continues his current run of form but I think he will have a similar season and not score anywhere near as heavily as Webber.
 
As long as Vettel has the fastest car, alongside a crazy amount of luck, he will win again next year.
 
To be fair, I think the Mclaren ended the season as the fastest. I do not think it will be a walk in the park for RBR, Button could be a challenger as could Perez.

Ferrari have scope to catch up with their cars to become challengers for 2013. Alonso will always be in the mix and Massa seems to have found his mojo.

The team with the most ground to make up are Mercedes and I've read that Hamilton is already considering the car, where he can see differences between it and his Mclaren etc. As much as Mclaren will have hidden data from him since the move was announced, I am sure he will have gleaned some information and be able to take some of that to Mercedes for the 2013 car. I think they will be a lot closer than they are now.

Renault again, could make up ground too.

So in short, unless Newey comes up with something amazingly new and different, I can only see the field getting tighter for 2013.
 
The team with the most ground to make up are Mercedes and I've read that Hamilton is already considering the car, where he can see differences between it and his Mclaren etc. As much as Mclaren will have hidden data from him since the move was announced, I am sure he will have gleaned some information and be able to take some of that to Mercedes for the 2013 car. I think they will be a lot closer than they are now.

Mercedes are using a 60% scale model for their 2013 car, so will be interesting to see if it helps them. I think most use 60%? Their current one is 50%.
 
Didn't Ferrari hit issues with the scaling of their calculations when they moved from 50% to 60%? Or did I imagine that? Was a few years back?

Edit: Yeah, 2010 - 2011

a disappointing start to this season, dogged by aerodynamic correlation problems caused by an upgrading of the wind tunnel from 50% to 60%, has led Ferrari’s management to act.

http://www.jamesallenonf1.com/2011/05/ferrari-put-confidence-in-pat-fry-as-costa-falls-on-his-sword/

Hopefully Merc don't have the same issues.
 
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Other than new engines what is the big changes for 2014? I don't think the new engines will change much really and as someone has already said aero will still be king.
 
Other than new engines what is the big changes for 2014? I don't think the new engines will change much really and as someone has already said aero will still be king.

2013 changes:

Wiki said:
Rule changes
Sporting regulations


At the June 2012 meeting of the World Motor Sport Council, the FIA announced plans to introduce cost-control measures for the 2013 season, which would be policed by the FIA pending the agreement of the teams.[88] This follows a failed attempt by former FIA President Max Mosley to introduce a budget cap for the 2010 season,[89] and the withdrawal of Ferrari, Torro Rosso, Sauber and Red Bull from the Formula One Teams Association in December 2011 over the implementation of the Resource Restriction Agreement,[90][91] a voluntary agreement between teams to limit costs in the sport.[92]

The rules governing the use of the Drag Reduction System (DRS) will be altered. Where drivers were free to use the system at will during free practice and qualifying, from 2013, the use of DRS will be restricted to the designated DRS zone in a bid to improve safety.[93] In response to this, the FIA announced plans to include two DRS zones at every circuit on the 2013 calendar where it was feasible to do so.[94]

The FIA is seeking to remove the rules of "force majeure" to clarify scrutineering procedures.[95] Under the rules of force majeure, cars must be able to return to the pits under their own power during qualifying or else risk exclusion from the results. However, if a team can adequately demonstrate that circumstances beyond their control forced them to stop a car on the circuit before it could return to the pits, then the rules of force majeure dicatate that the team and driver in question are exempt from any exclusion. Under new regulations, force majeure would no longer be recognised as a valid reason for stopping a car. These changes were first proposed in the aftermath of the 2012 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix, when Red Bull Racing instructed Sebastian Vettel to stop on the circuit after qualifying. Although race stewards initially accepted the team's explanation that the order came because of an imminent technical fault that threatened lasting damage to Vettel's engine, it was later discovered that Vettel had insufficient fuel in his car at the time and had been ordered to pull over so as to preserve the mandatory one litre sample required for testing at the end of qualifying. As a result, Vettel was excluded from the results,[96] and the changes to force majeure were put forward.

Following a crackdown on driving standard by race stewards in 2012, the FIA has sought to introduce a "penalty points" system of enforcing driving standards modelled on the points system used for road-going drivers' licences worldwide. Under the system, driving infringements would be assigned a points value that would be deducted from a driver's Super Licence when they commit an infraction. When a driver accumulates a pre-determined number of points, they face an automatic ban from racing.[97]

The practice of mid-season testing, which returned to Formula One in 2012 after having been banned in 2009,[98] will be discontinued in 2013 as part of cost-cutting initiatives.[99]

Teams will be faced with an increased entry fee for the season.[100] Whereas entry fees had previously been fixed at EUR€309,000 (USD$396,637) for all teams, from 2013, entry fees will be based on the World Championship points a team scored during the previous season. Teams will now pay a basic entry fee of USD$500,000 (EUR€389,525), plus USD$5,000 (EUR€3,895) per point scored. The reigning Constructors' champions will pay at a premium rate of USD$6,000 (EUR€3,674) per point scored. Early projections predicted that the 2012 World Constructors' Champions would be faced with an entry fee of over USD$4,500,000 (EUR€3,505,725).

Technical regulations

Changes to the rules in 2012 resulted in the development of a "platypus" nose, with teams designing cars with a visible change in height along the nose assembly of the car.[101] The design attracted criticism, with Red Bull Racing driver Mark Webber labelling the cars "ugly"[102] and Ferrari team principal Stefano Domenicali calling them "not that pretty".[103] At the 2012 Australian Grand Prix, Charlie Whiting—the FIA technical delegate—announced that although the changes to the sporting regulations planned for the 2014 season would effectively remove the "platypus" effect, the sport's governing body is planning to phase the stepped nose out for 2013.[104] The FIA later accepted a proposal that would allow teams to cover up the stepped nose with a "modesty plate", a panel designed to obscure the step without fundamentally altering the aerodynamic profile of the car or offering any aerodynamic gain itself.[105]

The FIA will completely overhaul testing procedures for front wings in 2013, introducing a more-comprehensive and strenuous series of tests designed to root out the practice of exploiting flexible bodywork regulations.[106]

The "double-DRS" system, first developed by Mercedes for the W03 in 2012 will be banned in 2013.[107] The device, which used a series of channels that ran through the car to create a stalling effect over the front wing when the rear wing Drag Reduction System was open, thereby cancelling out the downforce generated under normal conditions, would allow the car to achieve a higher top speed and better stability in fast corners.[108] The system was the subject of several legal challenges early in the 2012 season,[109][110][111] and rival team Lotus developed a similar system of their own[112] before teams agreed to a ban in July 2012.[107] However, while the regulations specifically banned the system developed by Mercedes, they make no provision for the variant developed by Lotus.[105]

Other changes

The Sixth Concorde Agreement—the contract between the Fédération Internationale de l'Automobile (FIA),[113] the Formula One teams[5] and the Formula One Administration[5] which dictates the terms by which the teams compete in races and take their share of the television revenues and prize money—which was first ratified by teams in 2009 expires at the end of 2012, necessitating the creation of the Seventh Concorde Agreement.[5] As part of the renewed Agreement, the commercial rights to the sport were to be floated on the Singapore Stock Exchange;[114] however, in June 2012 the planned floatation was delayed, with weak markets, uncertainty within Europe over the continent's economic future, and Facebook's disappointing IPO cited as reasons for the delay.[115]

The sport's decision-making process will be restructured.[116] Prior to 2013, any decision to change the sporting or technical regulations required the agreement of at least 70% — or nine votes — of the teams in order for those changes to be accepted. From 2013 onwards, those changes will only need a 51% majority — seven teams — in order to be approved. The Technical and Sporting Working Groups, the committees responsible for deciding upon the technical and sporting regulations, will also be disbanded in favour of a "Strategy Working Group" that will oversee both technical and sporting regulations and will be made up of representatives from each of the teams that scored points in the previous season's championship, the FIA, Formula One Management, one engine supplier and six event promoters. FIA President Jean Todt described the changes as necessary and designed to give each of the stakeholders in the sport a proportionate representation in deciding the future of Formula One.[116]

2014 Changes:

Wiki said:
Rule changes

Technical regulations


The 2014 season will see the introduction of a new engine formula, with the sport moving towards a turbocharged, 1.6 litre V6 format with an 8-speed gearbox.[1] The rules dictate the use of a ninety-degree engine bank, with fixed crankshaft axis and mounting points for the chassis, while the engines will be limited to 15,000rpm. The Kinetic Energy Recovery System (KERS), first introduced in 2009, will be incorporated into the design of the engine; its function as a supplementary power source will be taken by the introduction of the Thermal Energy Recovery System (TERS).[13]

The 2014 regulations will dictate the use of lower noses than in previous years, in the interests of safety. The tip of the nose must be no more than 185mm above the ground,[40] in comparison to the 550mm allowed in 2012.[41]

Further technical changes will mandate the use of narrower front wings, and requiring teams to use a shallower angle on their rear wings.[42]

Following a string of accidents in open-wheel motorsport that resulted in several deaths and injuries and recently in a multi-car pile-up at the start of the 2012 Belgian Grand Prix that saw three cars cartwheel across the circuit and nearly injured Ferrari driver Fernando Alonso, the technical directors of several teams renewed their push for the introduction of closed-canopy cockpits — similar to those used in fighter jets — in Formula One, describing them as "inevitable" and putting forward the 2014 season as the earliest possible date for their introduction.[43]

I suspect there are more comprehensive write ups of 2014 changes elsewhere though.

One of the interesting ones for next year, that might hurt RBR qualifying is the restricted DRS use - I always got the impression that their good mechanical grip generally allowed better exploitation of DRS in qualifying. With that not possible, I wonder if they'll find it a little harder to get up the grid?

It'll also be interesting to see the effects of the new overhauled FIA testing - though i'm not convinced that however much it bends, the flexiwing is actually lopping significant amounts of time off per lap.
 
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Interesting changes to Force Majeure and the new penalty point system for super licenses. Betfair odds on who will be the first to get banned? I'm giving 1/2 on Grosjean and 11/10 on Maldonado :D
 
The 2014 regulations are on the FIA site and anything that is different to the 2012 regulations are highlighted in pink.

I didn't know the DRS rules were changing. I'm not fussed by the restriction during Qualifying, but I am slightly concerned about there being 2 zones at every track. It could making passing too easy?
 
Horner believes the loss of Hamilton will significantly hamper McLaren.

"I think McLaren is a weaker team without Lewis," said Horner. "I think McLaren would admit that.

"Lewis is an outstanding driver and in Lewis and Jenson they had a hugely strong driver line-up."

He added that he would not discount McLaren even with its new driver pairing.

"McLaren have had a great car this year and who's to say they won't have an even better one next year," Horner said.

But he also believes Mercedes is set to be a greater force with Hamilton onboard.

"Whichever team had taken Lewis, he would be an asset," said Horner.

"I'm sure he will naturally add performance to Mercedes next year."

Funny that Horner did not want Lewis :D

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/104623
 
The FIA will completely overhaul testing procedures for front wings in 2013, introducing a more-comprehensive and strenuous series of tests designed to root out the practice of exploiting flexible bodywork regulations.

About time :)
 
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