Vettel to go to Ferrari in 2014?

You've not been here long, have you Joe.

And the F1 Racing was an issue either pre season or just as the season started where the did a big article on Kimi's come back.
 
And how do they do that? I have not seen Stefano say they were racing against Massa have you? really, just saying.

Not arguing mate, its just my personal opinion. When being told messages to basically let Alonso win, Yes maybe because he had better points etc, but a wins a win. Personally i would see that as racing against me?

You've not been here long, have you Joe.

And the F1 Racing was an issue either pre season or just as the season started where the did a big article on Kimi's come back.

Not long no :( lol
 
Not arguing mate, its just my personal opinion. When being told messages to basically let Alonso win, Yes maybe because he had better points etc, but a wins a win. Personally i would see that as racing against me?

It's not quite the same as your team boss saying they are racing against you and having to need an independent FIA observer in your garage to make sure your own team are not tampering with things though is it.

Massa moved over for Kimi and vice versa that is just being a team.

Alonso said himself he never wanted no1 at McLaren, he just wanted to be treated equally,
 
It's not quite the same as your team boss saying they are racing against you and having to need an independent FIA observer in your garage to make sure your own team are not tampering with things though is it.

I did not know this?? You have a source for this mate?

When did Ron say McLaren were racing against Alonso? And was it before or after Alonso tried to blackmail his boss?

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http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2007/10/30/f1-07-review-hamilton-vs-alonso/

Following the blunder Dennis made a remark that sent Alonso’s fans (and Alonso himself) to new heights of suspicion. Speaking of Hamilton’s race Dennis said:

The problem was rain and [Hamilton's] tyres were in the worst condition. But we weren’t at all fazed about Kimi. We weren’t racing Kimi, we were basically racing Fernando. Kimi winning and Lewis coming second was adequate. It just didn’t quite work out that way.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/7032284.stm

And McLaren co-owner Ron Dennis defended their decision to delay Hamilton's stop by saying: "We weren't racing Kimi, we were basically racing Alonso."
 
Lol, thats hardly the season long drive to crush Alonso that you think it is. We hear radio comms of people being told they are racing their team mate all the time.

Not to mention this was after Alonso had tried to blackmail his boss, provided evidence against his team, had been released from his contract, and was 1 race weekend away from being shown the door. He was lucky to sill be racing. They could have done a Montoya on him.

When serving your notice period at a job do you expect them to be keeping you fully in the loop with everything, or winding back thier investment in you and your exposure to whats going on. Especially when your going to be leaving to join a competitor.
 
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Lol, thats hardly the season long drive to crush Alonso that you think it is. We hear radio comms of people being told they are racing thir team mate all the time.

Not to mention this was after Alonso had tried to blackmail his boss, been released from his contract, and was 1 race weekend away from being shown the door.

When serving your notice period at a job do you expect them to be keeping you fully in the loop with everything, or winding back there investment in you and your exposure to whats going on. Especially when your going to be leaving to join a competitor.

Ah was expecting you to deflect it, as usual :) Was not a radio comm, it was the team boss speaking after the race how they were racing to beat their own driver, if you think that is normal then that's fine, you asked when he said it and for a link and you were given them, not you have produced a whole list of excuses for him saying it, really is pointless debating anything with you :)

Let's not forget Alonso needing an independent observer in his garage, but yeah let's just brush it under the carpet because your hatred for Alonso blinkers you so badly it really is a pointless debate when Alonso is involved as you are so bitter and twisted.
 
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For those of you interesting in a sensible discussion, what Mr Men actually meant to say was "Just the Brazillian Grand Prix, the last race of the season".

So... after Alonso had already been released from his McLaren contract, and for the final 3 days of him being a McLaren employee.

Nobody is arguing the facts, you just need to get the timeline right. Nothing in your argument contributed to Alonso leaving McLaren, it all happened after he had already nuked the relationship by blackmailing his boss and then testifying against his own team in court, and subsequently terminated his contract.

Like I said, he should consider himself lucky he was still allowed to race. Montoya was sacked on the spot for a far less serious 'falling out' with McLaren. I imagine the immunity the FIA granted him in return for his evidence had a lot to do with that.
 
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