Vettel to go to Ferrari in 2014?

Skeeter said:
Alonso left McLaren because he not only knew of the cheating, but was in possession of Ferrari information, used it to blackmail his boss, and after securing immunity for himself, testified against his own team in court. I genuinely don't know how he kept his drive, so I can only assume it was a condition of his immunity.
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He kept his drive because of sponsorship agreements that McLaren couldn't just cancel during the season.

The immunity granted to him (and Hamilton) was with regard to the FIA investigation and penalties. This is almost meaningless and certainly has no bearing on how McLaren could behave with their employee. If McLaren and their sponsors wanted, they could have sacked him and the FIA nor even Bernie could have done nothing about it. UK Employment Law > some stupid FIA ruling and their fake "court of law".
 
Unless we all quote his posts for you ;)
Just be thankfull he doesn't have your Xbox gt as well, that's how a few of us got abuse before :D
 
mmj_uk said:
Why wouldn't they? they bend over backwards for Vettel compared to Webber? :confused:

If anything Button seems to get preferential treatment at McLaren with pitstops and a better pit crew so even 50/50 would be an improvement for Lewis.
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Not sure will be allowed to comment further on this as it's off topic now and we got told to stick to the topic.
 
As what I see as an interesting extension of the top teams and top drivers in the next few years, this has also Been updated, about five hours ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18542058

It seems to shed light on the original concept, that Vettel does have a contract with Ferrari, but it's very much performance related...

It's also interesting I feel that Alonso says he would team with Lewis... Although I'm surprised Ron Dennis is making him take a pay cut considering his performance so far this year.

The link I've just posted, also seems to create some interesting speculation around whether even Webber could be taking Massa's spot.....

Alonso himself admits it did take five years of speculation before he ended up at Ferrari mind... And also he does talk at the end about still having respect for Massa... Mind you, that may be him talking from professional conduct and as a team mate given Massa's performance this year...

kd
 
Hamilton's current contract comes from 2006, a time when F1 was richer and filled with manufacturer teams, McLaren were heavily backed by Mercedes, and the global economy was buoyant and stable. I can understand why Ron might want to peg it back a bit.

There is quite a lot of half decent potential in whats being rumoured though:

Webber to Ferrari for 2013. Retires in 2014.
Vettel replaces Webber at Ferrari in 2014.
Hamilton takes Webbers spot at RBR in 2013.
One of the Toro Rosso graduates takes the second seat at RBR in 2014
Button remains at McLaren through 2014 at least.
Another McLaren/Merc driver takes the McLaren seat for 2013.
If Schumacher retires, Di Resta takes his seat.

It all seems fairly logical. I don't think there's anything wildly off the wall in it. The only thing is it would mean Perez is left out :(. Maybe he could take Hamiltons spot at McLaren?
 
King Damager said:
As what I see as an interesting extension of the top teams and top drivers in the next few years, this has also Been updated, about five hours ago.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/18542058

It seems to shed light on the original concept, that Vettel does have a contract with Ferrari, but it's very much performance related...

It's also interesting I feel that Alonso says he would team with Lewis... Although I'm surprised Ron Dennis is making him take a pay cut considering his performance so far this year.

The link I've just posted, also seems to create some interesting speculation around whether even Webber could be taking Massa's spot.....

Alonso himself admits it did take five years of speculation before he ended up at Ferrari mind... And also he does talk at the end about still having respect for Massa... Mind you, that may be him talking from professional conduct and as a team mate given Massa's performance this year...

kd
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If you ask me, by the way they are looking at each other, those two are quite fond of each other. Hamilton is almost blowing a kiss.

Andi.
 
They hated each other a few years ago, but there now seems to be a bit more mutual respect between them.
 
Skeeter said:
Hamilton's current contract comes from 2006, a time when F1 was richer and filled with manufacturer teams, McLaren were heavily backed by Mercedes, and the global economy was buoyant and stable. I can understand why Ron might want to peg it back a bit.

There is quite a lot of half decent potential in whats being rumoured though:

Webber to Ferrari for 2013. Retires in 2014.
Vettel replaces Webber at Ferrari in 2014.
Hamilton takes Webbers spot at RBR in 2013.
One of the Toro Rosso graduates takes the second seat at RBR in 2014
Button remains at McLaren through 2014 at least.
Another McLaren/Merc driver takes the McLaren seat for 2013.
If Schumacher retires, Di Resta takes his seat.

It all seems fairly logical. I don't think there's anything wildly off the wall in it. The only thing is it would mean Perez is left out :(. Maybe he could take Hamiltons spot at McLaren?
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Biggest question about this is why are we presuming that drivers would want to switch from RBR to Ferrari. Admittedly Ferrari have more of a long term pedigree, but in the last few years it certainly seems like RBR may be the better team. This applies mainly to Vettel moving, as I can see RBR possibly trying to make room for Hamilton, by giving Webber a slight shove (if they wanted to). The only real reason I could see would be that Ferrari have more experience with Turbo engines that we should see return in 2014...

P.s. As a note to mods, it might just be me, but surely, talking about the possible ramifications of a Vettel move, and how that mixes up the other teams transfers would mean we could talk about more than just the Vettel-> Ferrari thing, and talk about the general transfers landscape...

kd
 
Duke said:
They hated each other a few years ago, but there now seems to be a bit more mutual respect between them.
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Yeah, I think the understanding and respect that they are 2 of the best drivers in the world has taken over any personal bickering.

King Damager said:
Biggest question about this is why are we presuming that drivers would want to switch from RBR to Ferrari.
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I don't know if its just me, but I see RBR as a bit of a 'flash in the pan' team. A Bit like Renault. They got everything together and bashed out a few really good seasons, but I think they will struggle to stay at the top. McLaren and Ferrari on the other hand, have been in F1 since forever, and consistently been at the top, or at least near too it. I suppose its a choice between short term success, or long term career.

I may be wrong though.
 
Skeeter said:
I don't know if its just me, but I see RBR as a bit of a 'flash in the pan' team. A Bit like Renault. They got everything together and bashed out a few really good seasons, but I think they will struggle to stay at the top. McLaren and Ferrari on the other hand, have been in F1 since forever, and consistently been at the top, or at least near too it. I suppose its a choice between short term success, or long term career.

I may be wrong though.
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I see it slightly differently. Especially where Mclaren are concerned. Red Bull have built the fastest car since 2009, lets be honest Vettel should have won some of those races in the first part of the 09 season and taken the title.

Potentially they have built the fastest car for 4 years on the trot, 3 atleast.

When was the last time Mclaren even managed that for 2 years on the trot? They didn't really do it in 98/99, they just had the fortune to go up against Irvine for one of those years, a man who would struggle to put a exocet missile on pole. You look at the backing Mclaren have had as a works team compared to Red Bulls customer engines (granted Mclaren are a merc customer now) and in the last 20+ years they just don't ever build consistent cars or build on the previous year.

I don't see Renault and RB as similar flash in the pan because the budgets are completely different and they don't have to please a car manufacturer. They also have Newey, if he was there I would consider that a bigger draw with Red Bulls budget than 25 million to drive a ferrari or 15 million to drive a mclaren. Ferrari have also turned into a bit of a shambles since that whole MS era team decided to part ways. Especially now they cannot test 7 days per week.

Plus with any regulation changes you can nail your hat to Newey getting it right. He did for Williams when regs changed, he did for Mclaren in 98 and nailed the red bull really in 99 onwards for car reg changes.

I don't see why Vettel would want to go for 2014 unless he knows something we don't about Red Bull backing/engine changes etc. I don't see this as anything more than giving him an option and driving his wages up to that of those around him or give him even more power in the team.
 
There is uncertainty over Renault and the 2014 engine regulations. I don't think they have committed to the sport yet, they definitely haven't confirmed who or how many customers they will have. That could be something?
 
dannyjo22 said:
Ferrari have also turned into a bit of a shambles since that whole MS era team decided to part ways. Especially now they cannot test 7 days per week.
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2007 won both titles
2008 WCC won
2009 was a wash out
2010 in with the title hunt
2011 3rd in WCC
2012 title challenging

Not quite sure I would say they have been a shambles.
 
Skeeter said:
There is uncertainty over Renault and the 2014 engine regulations. I don't think they have committed to the sport yet, they definitely haven't confirmed who or how many customers they will have. That could be something?
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Yeah it could be, but I still not convinced these regs will be adopted. Also how much longer is the merc deal for Mclaren??

I guess this is the real F1 lottery :D

NathanE said:
07 and 08? Not necessarily "fastest" but certainly ultra competitive...
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Yeah I suppose you could argue a case for those two years, still in nearly 30 years it's not very consistent ;)
 
I think the Merc/McLaren deal runs to the end of 2013, hence the rumours of them talking to Honda for a 2014 engine.

I hope the 1.6 V6 regs get adopted. I'm not a fan of them as an engine, but I think its better than F1, the pinnacle of Motorsport, running an engine that has been pretty much fixed for 10 years. It needs to get with the times. Even IndyCar is further ahead than F1 now in terms of engine technology.
 
Skeeter said:
I think the Merc/McLaren deal runs to the end of 2013, hence the rumours of them talking to Honda for a 2014 engine.

I hope the 1.6 V6 regs get adopted. I'm not a fan of them as an engine, but I think its better than F1, the pinnacle of Motorsport, running an engine that has been pretty much fixed for 10 years. It needs to get with the times. Even IndyCar is further ahead than F1 now in terms of engine technology.
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Ah ok I had heard the honda rumour but didn't know the Merc deal only ran until 2013. Another reason I suppose why Hamilton and Vettel are looking around.

Vettel could still Ferrari as a stable base, maybe he sees that he has won a couple of titles so the next pinnacle is to drive for ferrari? If Vettel goes Hamilton has nothing to lose by taking his seat at Red Bull then as both teams could be in a state of change and as I say Newey normally excels in these situations.

If for no other than than a change and shake up I hope a few of these moves come off.
 
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