Vile and disgusting

[Gzero]

God forbid the working community in this forum if it was up to them they'd be out with sticks and shovels.

Not everyone on benefits is like this family so why jump on the bandwagon assuming they all are.

your all the same to me quick enough to **** them off when your at work yourself earning big monies but you'd soon be joining the benefits system if you had no other option and had to look after your family. I really don't think you'd let your wife and kids starve and live on the streets just because your morales are too high.

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This really.

I can see why people are angered, but as pointed out earlier, Daily Mail are joining as many MAJOR dots so people will read their hideous views. They use shock figures and incoherent English in order to confuse the reader as in this story as pointed out by Rainmaker.

 

[cheets64]

God forbid the working community in this forum if it was up to them they'd be out with sticks and shovels.

Not everyone on benefits is like this family so why jump on the bandwagon assuming they all are.

your all the same to me quick enough to **** them off when your at work yourself earning big monies but you'd soon be joining the benefits system if you had no other option and had to look after your family. I really don't think you'd let your wife and kids starve and live on the streets just because your morales are too high.

Rant.com

Garbage, you would work for 24 hours to provide for your kids and wife, why not, you are the man, the top dog, the alpha, so what you miss out on weekends or certain days, thats what being man is about, GRAFTING no matter what job it is or how long you spend doing, to fall back on benefits, you fail at life and its a slippery slope and once you are on it you are stuck and live off it.

You cannot legislate the poor into freedom by legislating the wealthy out of freedom. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that my dear friend, is about the end of any nation. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it


~~~~ Dr. Adrian Rogers, 1931

Amen

Sun Daily Mail etc. spreading this news and putting people in the papers is just as evil, making money from despair.

 

[bigjimmyauk]

Garbage, you would work for 24 hours to provide for your kids and wife, why not, you are the man, the top dog, the alpha, so what you miss out on weekends or certain days, thats what being man is about, GRAFTING no matter what job it is or how long you spend doing, to fall back on benefits, you fail at life and its a slippery slope and once you are on it you are stuck and live off it.



Amen

Sun Daily Mail etc. spreading this news and putting people in the papers is just as evil, making money from despair.

Wow such naivety would you like to tell that to my wife who i am a full time carer for cause last time i checked i would have had to work about 15 hours per day just to break even thats 7 days a week btw. take into account arranging carer,someone to take kids school and pick up, someone to cook for them and care for them while i'm at work. I'll just take you stupid ******* comment with a pinch of salt and i'm sure the other thousands of disabled people who you just said fail at life will do to.

******* fuming.com

 

[SkeeterUK]

Cheets, being the man, grafting, etc. Bull is all i say. That type of thinking is out of date, women can do owt a man can do which is the point im making which makes your comments seem sexist. I guess this post makes me out to look too girly haha, nah im bloke just dont agree on the alpha, the man, etc.

 

[cheets64]

Wow such naivety would you like to tell that to my wife who i am a full time carer for cause last time i checked i would have had to work about 15 hours per day just to break even thats 7 days a week btw. take into account arranging carer,someone to take kids school and pick up, someone to cook for them and care for them while i'm at work. I'll just take you stupid ******* comment with a pinch of salt and i'm sure the other thousands of disabled people who you just said fail at life will do to.

******* fuming.com

So you care for your wife and look after the kids yet you are still are up at 2am, is this some sort of wind up?

Its great you care for you wife and look after the kids, you are like thousands of people in this country that offer a great service and take little from the pot.

I never mentioned disabled people claiming benefits more the OP story, so step back.

Cheets, being the man, grafting, etc. Bull is all i say. That type of thinking is out of date, women can do owt a man can do which is the point im making which makes your comments seem sexist. I guess this post makes me out to look too girly haha, nah im bloke just dont agree on the alpha, the man, etc.

I hear this but I never see it, I am sorry to say.

 

[arknor]

Does this actually happen? I don't think it does, and I think you re exaggerating. A foreign family cannot walk into this country and get "everything on a plate", unless, I guess, they are a refugee

i dont know but loads of middle east blokes apeared not long after the iraq/afghan wars started all with mobile phones and leather coats probably paid for buy the goverment.

they got priority on the housing list aswell

 

[bigjimmyauk]

So you care for your wife and look after the kids yet you are still are up at 2am, is this some sort of wind up?

Its great you care for you wife and look after the kids, you are like thousands of people in this country that offer a great service and take little from the pot.

I never mentioned disabled people claiming benefits more the OP story, so step back.



I hear this but I never see it, I am sorry to say.

In yellow it's pretty much the only free/downtime i get so i use it best i can while it is quite

 

[EdGey]

What is worse, is that despite getting all of this for sod all, she is still winging.

 

[Fr0dders]

I think benefits should be capped to a max of 3 years of your lifetime. Thats more than enough time to find a job

thats simply never going to work

What do you say the people that receive permanent disability allowance because they have spina bifida or cerebral palsy ?

These people and their families are never going to live "conventional" lives. These are permanent and incurable genetic diseases that you cant fake.

You have to face facts that not everybody on benefits its somebody who could be working, but instead is slacking off.

Benefits really should be capped after having 2 or 3 children.

this is the way to do it imo.

She only had 3 kids at the start of receiving DLA. To cap the benefits at that point would have sent a clear message that having more kids is silly because she will receive no increase in benefits and with her being disabled and her husband her registered carer, would have no way to pay for them.

 

[Fr0dders]

There seems to be more to this than meets the eye. If true however, the claims about rat infestations and excrement smeared beds warrants a closer look. However, playing devil's advocate:



Available whether they work or not.



Available to those who qualify whether they work or not.



Available to those who qualify regardless.



Available whether they work or not; the name merely changes between Child Tax Credit and Working Tax Credit.



No arguing that one but it appears aside from their rent (Housing Benefit) the £30 is the only thing they're claiming they wouldn't get if they worked.

If we are to believe the Daily Fail then the father was a member of the Army until he left to care for his disabled wife in 2001. If she is in the 'high rate care' category then with so many children in addition to the burdens of full time care it doesn't seem hard to imagine how things swiftly got out of hand for them. Not to excuse their apparent behaviour, but I can certainly see they might be on a slippery slope.

Whether that excuses having ever more children and allowing things to progress this far is another matter, but I don't think it's as clear cut as the DF makes out (shock, horror!). It sounds to me like they need help, and perhaps a word of advice about contraception, rather than mere condemnation. As I said I'm certainly not outright defending them, but I'd be loathe to make snap judgements or be jumping on the bandwagon without further information we'll likely never have access to.

As Andy said if they are genuinely in need I'd much sooner they had the money they needed than certain others (whether it be hate preaching Mullahs or fat cats scamming the system). JMHO.

The issue here is that the child benefit, and tax credits increase with the number of children.

This woman despite being disabled and unable to work and her husband being unable to work (due to being her registered carer) then decided to have ANOTHER 7 children.

What sort of person has another 7 children knowing she wont be able to provide for them ?

One who knows the state will pick the bill up.

I dont think it helps the "disability" appears a bit of a cop out as well. If you read up on it

http://www.patient.co.uk/health/Scoliosis-(Curvature-of-the-Spine).htm

Its hardly the most horrible of conditions. Symptoms appear to be some back pain.

Which probably explains that despite being disabled she was able to undergo 7 child births.

Pain cant be that bad if she can endure 7 pregnancy's ! And I'm wondering if like most back conditions, doctors can neither disprove nor prove how much pain you are actually in due to said curvature ?

 

[Mucky_Pup]

Its good for the labour market, keeps it nice and flexible. Also it increases the working population, which is important as we have a rapidly ageing population.

How is it good for the labour market, not only does it saturate the market with labour when it isn't needed, those people who come over drive the current price of the job down by working for less wages than current people will be.

Why do we have some many africans and eastern europeans as cleaners? I'm sure those jobs could be done by English people, it's just they're to lazy to do it, but importing cheap labour isn't the way to attack that, you need to attack the benefits system, but when it comes to attacking the benefits system now; due to the influx in immigrants there isn't going to be a job market for them to join as it's saturated by imported workers.

 

[MattU]

Edit: Nevermind

 

[Things change I've changed]

This is a hard one tbh, I disagree with what they are doing but they are entitled to it, (although I know that doesn't necessarily make it right), the system does need to change but more importantly people need re-educating, we can't just simply 'cap' benefits to 1 or 2 children as what happens when less well off families continue to have children in spite of that cap?, ultimately the children would suffer and it's not their fault.

I'm not sure how I would tackle this, I know this probably won't be a popular idea but I would probably start by introducing compulsory advanced moral/ethical classes in schools, too much emphasises is placed on just the core subjects in basic schooling, I think that needs to change, school needs to pick up the slack where a lot of these types of parents are failing.

 

[Ceryndrion]

It really does amuse me, that so many people on this forum, complain about how the Daily Mail is such a joke, how it is nothing more than trolling, and yet, in the next post, you are being even more extremist than they are..

In this particular case, let me see, most of you seem to advocate throwing them out onto the street, and in one or two cases, execution.

I don't disagree that some people abuse the system, but on the other hand, look at the alternatives, or do you really want us to have shanty towns like there are in some american cities now? with raids on you affluent folks homes, cuz I can promise you this, when we do, say goodbye to your luxuries, cuz those of us who are less well off, will be taking them, what have we got to lose? our freedom? hmmm shanty town, or nice heated prison cells (paid for by you).

 

[Fr0dders]

This is a hard one tbh, I disagree with what they are doing but they are entitled to it, (although I know that doesn't necessarily make it right), the system does need to change but more importantly people need re-educating, we can't just simply 'cap' benefits to 1 or 2 children as what happens when less well off families continue to have children in spite of that cap?, ultimately the children would suffer and it's not their fault.

The children get taken and put into care if they cant provide for them.

It will send a clear message that after having 4 kids, she couldnt provide for, it wouldnt be a good idea to have another 6.

This happens daily to children for whom "its not their fault" that their parents are drug addicts, criminals, unable to look after them properly due to disabilities etc..

Yes its nice but this sort of stuff happens all the time, it would just result in a temppoary increase while all these people learned their lesson to not have kids they cant afford to keep.

it would stop people having more children SPECIFICLY to get more benefits too. Which i bet is a good portion of the people with 10 kids and £1000 a week benefits ...

 

[simpletom]

Garbage, you would work for 24 hours to provide for your kids and wife, why not, you are the man, the top dog, the alpha...

Don't you live with your mum, oh alpha one?

 

[Thunderbolt]

I don't disagree that some people abuse the system, but on the other hand, look at the alternatives, or do you really want us to have shanty towns like there are in some american cities now? with raids on you affluent folks homes, cuz I can promise you this, when we do, say goodbye to your luxuries, cuz those of us who are less well off, will be taking them, what have we got to lose? our freedom? hmmm shanty town, or nice heated prison cells (paid for by you).

Spookey

Kind of reminds me of Antione Dodson

 

[D.P.]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...y-12-homed-1-000-week-house--trashed-one.html

Surely, this cannot be right, we are always quick to jump on ethnic minorities and muslims, is it time we took a stand with our own people? Just what is wrong with these people?

The whole benefits system needs massively re-hauling.

I like the German system. If you are fired or your contract ends without you searching for work you will spend 1-3 months without benefits. After that you get 80% of your previous salary for about 6 months, this then lowers steeply down to a low fixed amount. After about 2 years it will be cut completely.

This way, you have incentives not to get fired or quit without a job lined up, you wont walk blindly into unemployment by not looking for jobs before your contract ends. You will still be able to pay usual bills/costs and have 6 months of high benefits, giving you time to sort out loans/mortgages/finances. After that you have enough moeny to live adequately until you find a job. 2 years is long enough for anyone to find A job, even if it isn't their favorite job.

The Swiss system is almost the same, you have a few months without benefits if you get fired or quit, and then have a fixed length of time when you get paid 70% of your previous salary.

 

[Fr0dders]

The whole benefits system needs massively re-hauling.

I like the German system. If you are fired or your contract ends without you searching for work you will spend 1-3 months without benefits. After that you get 80% of your previous salary for about 6 months, this then lowers steeply down to a low fixed amount. After about 2 years it will be cut completely.

This way, you have incentives not to get fired or quit without a job lined up, you wont walk blindly into unemployment by not looking for jobs before your contract ends. You will still be able to pay usual bills/costs and have 6 months of high benefits, giving you time to sort out loans/mortgages/finances. After that you have enough moeny to live adequately until you find a job. 2 years is long enough for anyone to find A job, even if it isn't their favorite job.

The Swiss system is almost the same, you have a few months without benefits if you get fired or quit, and then have a fixed length of time when you get paid 70% of your previous salary.

all of which would have nothing to do with this couple as she is registered permanently disabled and he is registered as her carer.

The biggest burden on the benefit budget isnt the dole.

Its DLA - disability living allowance.

Its only right that people with permanent incurable genetic diseases like cerebral palsy and spina bifida get Disability living allowance.

The problem is all the other people registered disabled who dont have incurable genetic diseases or permanent disabilities. But herin lies our problem. What do you class as a disability ??

Thats what needs addressing.

 

[Efour]

1 wii between 10 children, that is practically child abuse. I totally agree with the DM something needs to change, but he was a soldier so god bless our boys.