Violence in Selfridges and "drill music"

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Nature is healing now in London, things are starting to open up and the urban youth are back to their antics again:



But who is this "Bandokay" person the above tweet mentions as being involved in this "beef", which resulted in one person being stabbed and several arrests?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OFB_(group)
OFB rapper Bandokay, whose real name is Kemani Duggan, is the son of Mark Duggan, the man whose death by police shooting led to the 2011 England Riots.[1][2] Bandokay credited music for keeping him away from crime, and stated his desire to be away from police as a motivator:[1]
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Oh, that's a familiar name! (LOL at the last bit though, I'm sure he and all his buddies in his drill group have nothing at all to do with gang violence and crime, the police must just be harassing them for no reason etc..). Oh they did publish a video filmed in prison by a member of their group currently serving time for murder though:

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/killer-rapper-17-uploads-new-21693567

The Guardian published a piece on him too:

https://www.theguardian.com/music/2...one-helps-us-round-here-music-is-the-only-way
“I’m trying to get out the hood, and the easiest way of doing that is making music,” says Bandokay. “It’s my way of escaping gang life and achieving a better life. I wanna move my mum into a house. Music puts legal money into my account. No one helps us round here. So music is the only way.”
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Sure... seems like an easier way might be to not join a gang, stay in school and then get some qualifications but I guess he's got some rather dubious role models.

This all seems massively flawed, I'm aware of the capacity for this stuff to be a moral panic, I don't believe that music itself makes people violent any more than say violent video games. The issue here perhaps though is the culture surrounding this type of music, that lots of this stuff relies on the reputation of the individuals or groups creating it. It doesn't appear to be something that is necessarily conditional on raw musical talent, rather if you're a member of a known gang and that gang has some credibility then that seems to be a significant part of the marketing in the drill scene ergo it seems pretty flawed as a way to escape gang stuff.

Is this "Bandokay" character even a good rapper or is he just riding on the reputation of his late father and/or the gang members he hangs out with?

Frankly I think we need tougher sentences for carrying a knife, especially in a context like this - if you pull out a knife in the middle of a busy shop like that with loads of members of the public around then you should be looking at the maximum sentence for possession of a knife.
 
Shoot them!

Can someone translate into basic English whatever the mongo is saying in 2nd video, I got the name part but not the rest?
 
Most of the time such music is therapeutic for the listeners and creators. Music doesn't encourage violence, in most cases, it just tries to understand the underlying culture and the causes behind it. It reflects the violence of that culture in its sound and lyrics. Sure, there is some music out there which encourages people to do harm, but there's a big gap between listening to such lyrics and carrying out a violent act, just as there's a big gap between playing Counter-Strike and going around shooting people with an AK47.

In many cases kids turn to rap because it's one of the easiest forms of music to get involved in. You don't need to learn or acquire an instrument, you don't need to be able to sing. You just need a sense of rhythm and ideally to be somewhat articulate.
 
I suppose with the current climate of wearing masks, they'll also feel they can get away with most stuff without it being easy to be identified from CCTV.
 
Semple said:
I suppose with the current climate of wearing masks, they'll also feel they can get away with most stuff without it being easy to be identified from CCTV.
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I was thinking the same. But from next week children is classes no longer need masks, so maybe they can extend it to shops etc for youths also?
 
Stop the central line stopping at Tottenham court road and Oxford cirrcus and then all the **** east London kids dont bother going there. :p

Stratford/ Leytonstone nothing but scum innit

all the District line trash ride down from Barking and Dagenham to beat up and rob "posher" Upminster kids.

Circle of life
 
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Lysander said:
Most of the time such music is therapeutic for the listeners and creators. Music doesn't encourage violence, in most cases, it just tries to understand the underlying culture and the causes behind it. It reflects the violence of that culture in its sound and lyrics.
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I'm not sure that is the case for some of this music. Its not decrying the lifestyle or violence, its glorifying it and saying how amazing it is and how much money they are making from their illegal behaviour. Drill rap especially is good for this.

Not sure you can ban music of any kind though as most of it is complete BS with the most unknown rapper that lives at home with his mother bragging about his many "bitches and hoes" and wads of cash whilst living on benefits. Rap music has definitely been responsible for a fair amount of violence over the years though. Question is whether the music is any part of it or just something that some violent scumbags like to partake in.
 
potatolord said:
Well, I blame Cannibal Corpse's music for my multiple convictions for grave robbing.
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The alternate cover for Violence Unimagined is some of the most... interesting... album art of the year though [absolutely, definitely NSFW if anyone is thinking of looking it up].
 
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Lysander said:
The alternate cover for Violence Unimagined is some of the most... interesting... album art of the year though [absolutely, definitely NSFW if anyone is thinking of looking it up].
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Heh, I used to know someone from Desecration. They had one album impounded under the obscene publications act due to the cover, and a huge amount of legal hassle.
 
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