Violence in Selfridges and "drill music"

Efour said:
Stop the central line stopping at Tottenham court road and Oxford cirrcus and then all the **** east London kids dont bother going there. :p
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This OFB drill group ("Original Farm Boys") are from Broadwater Farm council estate in north London, it's got a bit of a reputation for being home to a few generations of violent scumbags, the person in the video in the OP is just one example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broadwater_Farm

ttaskmaster said:
I think there should be the qualifying statement of 'illegal' in there somewhere.
What I carry and the manner in which I carry/use it is perfectly legal. What people like this tend to carry and do with it is very much illegal from the outset.
I'd hate to see all those perfectly legal knives taken off the law abiding folk just because some scrote is toting a kitchen blade or something...
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I didn't propose any other changes in law beyond a change in sentencing, "illegal" is implied already given we're talking about the punishment for an illegal act. You can already carry some knives legally if work-related, that doesn't require any changes to the law.

Roar87 said:
I think it's mostly a derogatory term for largely black criminal teenage youths that are involved in a lot of violent knife and drug related crimes in London and other cities in the UK.
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Why is it derogatory? "Chavs" would have been derogatory, "urban youth" is rather neutral/descriptive.
 
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dowie said:
I didn't propose any other changes in law beyond a change in sentencing. You can already carry some knives legally if work-related, that doesn't require any changes to the law.
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I wasn't talking about the law... Just the use of the phrase "carrying a knife", ideally to something like "carrying an illegal knife", to specifically differentiate between those who are and those who aren't breaking the law. I 'carry a knife' just about always, but it's perfectly legal.

I know you're aware of the difference, and that it's implied by the context of your post... but many people are idiots and, being on the receiving end of that idiocy almost daily, I would suggest for the benefit of all that a change in phrasing would help eliminate much of the problem I've highlighted.
 
Semple said:
I suppose with the current climate of wearing masks, they'll also feel they can get away with most stuff without it being easy to be identified from CCTV.
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There was a gang of gypsies robbing houses in broad daylight last year wearing masks as perfect cover to evade authorities so nothing new.
 
dLockers said:
If you feel uncomfortable answering the question, you are part of the problem. What is urban youth?
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The problem you're having with basic reading comprehension? I'm not sure what you want here but these aren't obscure words and you could try a dictionary or indeed google if you're genuinely struggling here.

Sankari said:
Well that definitely didn't work, did it? Because now his name is all over the media.
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True but he's semi-famous, at least in some circles. It's kinda moot anyway given that it seems the police arrested them shortly after the incident.
 
dowie said:
The problem you're having with basic reading comprehension? I'm not sure what you want here but these aren't obscure words and you could try a dictionary or indeed google if you're genuinely struggling here.
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I've never used urban youth as a phrase in my life so I'm genuinely interested what you were trying to convey by saying it. I'm unclear why you are dodging what should be a basic question :confused:
 
arknor said:
kids should be encouraged to fight more from a young age and get used to being physical maybe then they wouldn't be so afraid and scared they have to hide behind a knife.

most these drill wanna be gangsters probably never had a fair fight in their lives, just a bunch of cowards throwing sucker punches and ganging up on people.

1v1 me bro
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Yeboiiii

Get them fighting even younger , no bad can come of it!
 
dLockers said:
I've never used urban youth as a phrase in my life so I'm genuinely interested what you were trying to convey by saying it. I'm unclear why you are dodging what should be a basic question :confused:
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I think it refers to the type of young person from poorer communities one can encounter in large cities and towns who wears tracks suits, largely uneducated - or doesn't want to be educated - aggressive, violent etc. Of course any young person in a town or city can be termed as "urban youth" but "urban" in this context seems to refer to a more aggressive type, and those generally come from poorer areas.
 
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