Virgin are now going to use application throttling!!.

Well, this has basically rendered the 20mb connection useless for me. I work from 2pm till 10pm, and as such the STM wasn't affecting me in the slightest because I did all my downloading in the mornings, but now the 10am till 3pm STM has put a stop to that. Basically the only time I can download without worrying about hitting STM is overnight, and in that case it makes no difference if the connection is 4mb or 20mb, it'll still be done by the morning.

I've just called up and dropped down to 4mb (free upgrade to 10mb by the end of the summer) and saved £15 a month.

Not happy though :( :mad:
 
Camalot said:
That is an absolute JOKE. I go to bed around 9 due to being up early for work as well, i think that is a joke tbh.
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Just set any big files to download after 9pm, or even better; if you're signed up to Economy7 Electricity then after 1:30am to save more money. Set your download manager to shutdown the PC after the files have downloaded.
 
SDK^ said:
Just set any big files to download after 9pm, or even better; if you're signed up to Economy7 Electricity then after 1:30am to save more money. Set your download manager to shutdown the PC after the files have downloaded.
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Which takes the whole point of having 20Mbit/a fast connection away.

So he may as well downgrade to 2Mbit as the same download will still be finished by morning :rolleyes:
 
SDK^ said:
Do that then - problem solved.
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Luckily i'm not with VM so i can download/upload whenever i feel like it and not get my speed crippled.

But for most if they had to do that it would be easier just to swap ISP's

As STM does not effect heavy downloaders, just normal users.
 
Blueyonder was reputable once, Virgin Media have turned that into a joke. These new changes are a complete disgrace. Unfortunately for some we can't switch ISP's as we're locked into a contract, myself included for another 9 months :(
 
DreXeL said:
Well, this has basically rendered the 20mb connection useless for me. I work from 2pm till 10pm, and as such the STM wasn't affecting me in the slightest because I did all my downloading in the mornings, but now the 10am till 3pm STM has put a stop to that. Basically the only time I can download without worrying about hitting STM is overnight, and in that case it makes no difference if the connection is 4mb or 20mb, it'll still be done by the morning.

I've just called up and dropped down to 4mb (free upgrade to 10mb by the end of the summer) and saved £15 a month.

Not happy though :( :mad:
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Id be careful about the overnight downloading aswell, from what ive read there is a unoffical 9gb cap on overnight downloads aswell.
 
ScoobyDoo said:
Id be careful about the overnight downloading aswell, from what ive read there is a unoffical 9gb cap on overnight downloads aswell.
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I hope not, I specifically asked about if it would be likely that they will start to apply STM overnight, and he catagorically told me that it won't happen. Maybe be he was saying that because it's 'unofficial', or maybe he was just trying to 'keep me sweet', because I was making it VERY clear how angry I was/am about them crippling my 20mb connection beyond use. I basically told them in no uncertain terms how unhappy I have been with the service since the merger with NTL.

Oh how I miss the old Telewest days :( :(
 
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DreXeL said:
I hope not, I specifically asked about if it would be likely that they will start to apply STM overnight, and he catagorically told me that it won't happen. Maybe be he was saying that because it's 'unofficial', or maybe he was just trying to 'keep me sweet', because I was making it VERY clear how angry I was/am about them crippling my 20mb connection beyond use. I basically told them in no uncertain terms how unhappy I have been with the service since the merger with NTL.

Oh how I miss the old Telewest days :( :(
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It's Telewest who brought STM in....

As for the overnight STM, it's being trialed (internally)

For those who think it isnt coming, well, let's see, 4pm-9pm...so people move their downloads to morning/afternoon....10am-3pm to stop that.

What do you is coming next? ;)

STM isnt there to stop heavy downloaders, they just dont want anyone using their connection for more than looking at emails :D
 
TraxData said:
It's Telewest who brought STM in....
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Not saying you aren't right, but how do you know this? When it was Telewest I had a truly unlimited, unthrottled connection. Then they merge with NTL and start crippling the connection......

As for the overnight STM, it's being trialed (internally)
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Evidence?

I just don't see why they would need to apply STM overnight. Unless I'm mistaken, the whole point of STM (alledgedly) is to free up bandwidth for general browsing, looking at emails etc. Who stays up till 4am checking their emails?
 
I'm certain myself that they will introduce a STM overnight sometime in the near future,they'll come up with some stupid excuse to implement it.
 
DreXeL said:
Not saying you aren't right, but how do you know this? When it was Telewest I had a truly unlimited, unthrottled connection. Then they merge with NTL and start crippling the connection......
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Worked with telewest/NTL for 12 years (well, back in diamond cable days etc as well)

They used STM on heavy downloaders 18 months before the company merger, telewest now run the broadband side of things...so it's their fault you have STM.

Evidence?

I just don't see why they would need to apply STM overnight. Unless I'm mistaken, the whole point of STM (alledgedly) is to free up bandwidth for general browsing, looking at emails etc. Who stays up till 4am checking their emails?
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The point of STM is actually to reduce bandwith on the network, nothing to do with heavy downloaders per say but it's more a thing of the fact the network in most places is severly over subscribed and the network is falling apart (quite literally in a few places...)

STM was supposed to be a stop point gap measure till they could upgrade everything...but neil wants to keep it now (what do you expect, its saving them a lot of money) as it means they dont have to perform as many upgrades.

The point of overnight STM is obvious, it will stop the persistant heavy downloaders as well.

Dont forget, your a naughty heavy user if you do more than browse 2 sites a day :p

Of course, if your looking towards a future a little STM maybe be getting scrapped for application throttling.

If you think overnight STM will not come into play as it's not needed (not peaktime) then you'll have to sit back and think why they have STM 10am-3pm as well. Those are not peak hours.
 
TraxData said:
They used STM on heavy downloaders 18 months before the company merger
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I wasn't throttled atall before the merger.

TraxData said:
The point of STM is actually to reduce bandwith on the network, nothing to do with heavy downloaders per say
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TraxData said:
The point of overnight STM is obvious, it will stop the persistant heavy downloaders as well.
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Contradiction much?

If the point of STM is to stop heavy downloaders then yes, I can see them doing it overnight. If it's to help increase bandwidth for 'normal' users then there's no need for them to use it overnight.

So which is it? You appear to be contradicting your own points.
 
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So far STM has done nothing but make my connection unusable for gaming during peak times, even when I've not gone over the limit I only get maybe 3mbit of my 20mbit.
 
As soon as they introduced the traffic shaping system before the 4pm - 9pm I switched from 10mb (max at the time) to 4mbit as the max is a waste of money, then they introduced the 4pm - 9pm one which was much better. I just stayed off downloading at all during that time. Now it's the whole day and partial night time they cap with, very tempted to just go to 2mbit instead of 4mbit.

It's a shame that BT installation's for a phone line cost so much (£100 or so?) otherwise BE looks a viable alterative (once my contract is finished that is). If the overnight throttling is true and comes into service, I'd imagine lots of people would just rather fork over the BT phone line installation costs if they are on a Virgin phone line and go with something like BE.

DreXel said:
I wasn't throttled atall before the merger.
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I remember reading about throttling on Blueyonder when it wasn't Virgin, although that wasn't 18 months before the merger is was about 1 month. I also never got throttled at all when it was Blueyonder/Telewest.

The good ol' days :/
 
Anyone here use Sky? Are there any capping/limits involved?

What sort of speeds do you get on the 16MB service?
 
I'd ditch VM tomorrow if I could get a decent DSL speed, but according to SamKnows the best I can get at my address is around 2 to 4 mb. Annoying, because Be is available here now :(
 
Apparently VM are going to be sending "threatening letters" to people who fileshare on their networks.

...think ill be changing in the future..
 
DreXeL said:
I'd ditch VM tomorrow if I could get a decent DSL speed, but according to SamKnows the best I can get at my address is around 2 to 4 mb. Annoying, because Be is available here now :(
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Thing is, you are going to be downloading at speed mostly anyway, the cap is so silly/easy to hit now.

I also seen the advert about threatening letters :p
 
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