Virgin Media Discussion Thread
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Not fussed by static Ip address (I guess this is useful for VNCing and the like?)
UK support does sound good...
But you are right that it will be double the upload speed with FTTP compared to VM cable...
The question is it worth it for the extra money....
That being said I just sent a availability check email to the aquiss team and they responded immediately.....
I also like the look of the speed result from this report.
increasebroadbandspeed.co.uk/fttp-full-fibre-broadband-installation
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I'm on Virgin 1Gb like I said, but we have a FTTP AltNet in my town laying fibre atm. Hopefully should be able to order within the next few weeks, 1Gb symmetrical and I can't wait to get onto a proper full fibre network... £45pm too so not too bad.
Personally I'd pay the extra for a superior network, better experience and responsive UK support.
Personally I'd pay the extra for a superior network, better experience and responsive UK support.
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They are offering what packages Openreach do, where as companies like City Fibre have different products they sell, and re-sell themselves.
Yup Aquiss are on point for CS. No foreign call centre BS.
Openreach use GPON which splits 2.5Gbps down and 1.25Gbps up between 30 customers, and make the commercial decision to offer asymmetric speeds. Other providers that use GPON (CityFibre) offer symmetric speeds over the same physical layer, so more than one customer on a splitter uploading at the speed of the service they subscribe to is going to oversubscribe that split. Others like Community Fibre use XGSPON which is 10Gbps symmetric. Then you have Gigaclear who use point-to-point fibre.
Openreach are regulated in a way that no other wholesale provider is, so they need to be more careful with the service tiers they offer to their customers. There's also an element of having to weigh the product offering up against the leased lines that they offer.
Openreach are regulated in a way that no other wholesale provider is, so they need to be more careful with the service tiers they offer to their customers. There's also an element of having to weigh the product offering up against the leased lines that they offer.
BTW @Cavallino my ping is 5ms to London from the Cotswolds.
With VM? Nice!
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@Caged has covered it well. Openreach use GPON (which is who Sky, Aquiss, Plusnet, BT etc are using) - whereas the AltNets more often than not, utilising the improved XGS-PON which means offering symmetric speeds a simple choice.
I suspect in the future OR will upgrade to XGS-PON, I think they have already done trials for it. It's an easy upgrade and I believe only requires cabinet/exchange equipment upgrades, rather than customer/cable upgrades as the fibre being laid is capable. It's just the equipment at either end that matters to upgrade to XGS-PON.
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Not heard of congestion on FTTP or FTTC for years
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No this isn’t correct.
BT could offer far higher upload speeds on FTTP but they choose not to because of contention.
The connection to every PON is 2 Gb down and 1 Gb up. Alt-nets don’t try and claim a consistent speed like BT do hence they can offer symmetrical with no promise of delivery. BT don’t do that.
BT could offer you 1 Gb up and down now but they don’t because they couldn’t guarantee it.
They won’t offer symmetrical even with XGS is available
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Gigaclear offer symmetric but they will claim no guarantee that speed is available at all times.
BT can say they can always offer a minimum 400 down on 1 Gb and 100 up because that is what they have calculated with contention
BT can say they can always offer a minimum 400 down on 1 Gb and 100 up because that is what they have calculated with contention
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I didn't say OR can't offer symmetric, but as you mention using GPON means contention becomes a problem so they can't/don't... The pipe can fit 4x more down than it can up with GPON.
GPON allows 10G down and 2.5G up, using XGS-PON allows 10G both down/up - therefore contention isn't a problem as such.
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XGS will allow 10G down and up to the PON, that will still be shared between up to 32 people. BT will not be offering symmetrical 10G down and up.
1Gb down and up is a possibility I guess but I suspect it will always be asymmetrical
Never with VM.
No, no, no. They don't do it because it would eat into their leased line market.
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That’s clearly an element of it. But not the only or even decisive one.
They don’t offer symmetric because they’d get in trouble for not being able to consistently deliver it.
If you think about it, if they had four customers on 1 Gb they’d use all the bandwidth if they were downloading at the same time
You are so far off the mark it’s untrue.