Virgin Media Upload Speed Upgrades

I hate the fact that its basically a lottery as to whether you can get good internet in this country or not :(

I'd pay £100 a month for a 50mbit connection quite happily.
 
Blame BT and the councils (gov, ofcom) who are preventing the roll out of Fiber from other companies.


There was this one company trying to do fiber to the house but they got shot down by BT cause they don't want any competition coming in and competing against their fttc scheme.

i think they are called fibercity...
 
I'm the poster quoted over at CF lol. :D Yes, they're going to limit all NNTP and BT traffic, up AND DOWNSTREAM, between 5pm and midnight during weekdays, and between 12 noon and 12 midnight at weekends. Sucks. :(

You (even 50 meg users) will only get 25% of available capacity on downloads from NNTP (Usenet/newsgroups) and BT. That could easily be much less than 50Mbps, depending on how many users are in your area etc. Student areas are going to be slaughtered by this. So much for "truly unlimited fibre optic broadband" and "DOCSIS3 will mean no more congestion and no more STM!".
 
Well, most people can live with caps. Pay for say 250gb and use it for whatever kind of traffic you want. When people get capped and restricted there's complaints, understandably too.

Still just looks like virgin providing "incentives" for people to upgrade to 100meg line when they come out.
 
Azuse05 said:
Still just looks like virgin providing "incentives" for people to upgrade to 100meg line when they come out.
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But there's no ETA for that as yet, certainly not officially. As I said over on CF, if it was a case of providing incentive for the flagship product then as 50Mbps IS the flagship product (until 100Mbps is actually released, God-knows when), it wouldn't be getting shaped now.

Bearing that in mind, it seems they've just decided to blanket-shape everyone regardless. That brings me back to my post above:

"50 meg / XXL will provide truly unlimited, unmanaged fibre optic broadband!" (LOL)

and

"DOCSIS 3 does away with congestion commonly found on lower tiers which run on DOCSIS 2. Pay to upgrade now!" (LOL)

:(
 
I don't have an account over there Rainmaker but I'm following your posts with interest and am agreeing with everything you're saying. I'm willing to bet lots of people went from 20 to 50 not because they really needed the extra speed, but because they wouldn't have to suffer with STM. Now though, they're saying STM still doesn't apply to 50mb (great!) HOWEVER their new shaping policy means 50mb subscribers downloading from Usenet will still suffer. You may as well go back to 20mb or even 10mb if it means going back to the old habits of downloading after 9pm (or midnight, as they've changed it to...).
 
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benftl said:
I don't have an account over there Rainmaker but I'm following your posts with interest and am agreeing with everything you're saying.
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Cheers ears. I wish my Mrs would. :D :p

I'm willing to bet lots of people went from 20 to 50 not because they really needed the extra speed, but because they wouldn't have to suffer with STM. Now though, they're saying STM still doesn't apply to 50mb (great!) HOWEVER their new shaping policy means 50mb subscribers downloading from Usenet will still suffer. You may as well go back to 20mb or even 10mb if it means going back to the old habits of downloading after 9pm (or midnight, as they've changed it to...).
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Exactly. I'd go back to PROPERLY unlimited unmanaged 20Mbps (as I had with Sky/UK online via ADSL2+) before I paid for a "faster" STM'd 50Mbps. It defeats the object.
 
The fact that they are going to be throttling usenet on 50mb sucks, hard. I'll see how it pans out, my weekday usage should just about avoid it but it'll hit me at the weekends.

If it's too bad I'll probably just go back to 20mb and download over night again :( :mad:
 
DreXeL said:
The fact that they are going to be throttling usenet on 50mb sucks, hard. I'll see how it pans out, my weekday usage should just about avoid it but it'll hit me at the weekends.

If it's too bad I'll probably just go back to 20mb and download over night again :( :mad:
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Only the upload
 
Ive noticed youtube being terrible as of late, Do you think they have been messing with it to make people think that this needs to be put into place? And by terrible i mean gone from perfect always being able to stream 4k vids instantly to having trouble on 480
 
Dangerous said:
Only the upload
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Wrong, I'm afraid. As I've pointed out on the CF, VM's site confirms that ALL tiers - including XXL/50 meg - will be subject to the NNTP/BT throttling.

VM said:
How does it affect me?
Customers with Broadband size: XXL (50Mb) – your downstream usage excluding file sharing traffic (see below) remains unaffected and we'll soon be increasing your upload speeds from 1.5Mb to 5Mb. However during peak times we'll need to slow you back to 1.75Mb if your upload usage is particularly high.
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http://shop.virginmedia.com/help/traffic-management.html

So in other words 50 megs is unaffected, EXCEPT for the traffic shaping now being applied to NNTP and BT. :(
 
Jayster said:
Ive noticed youtube being terrible as of late, Do you think they have been messing with it to make people think that this needs to be put into place? And by terrible i mean gone from perfect always being able to stream 4k vids instantly to having trouble on 480
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Not just me noticing this, then? I used to be able to stream and play 1080p effortlessly. Now I can honestly hardly get 480p - even 360p at times - to play properly. I'm thinking this isn't suddenly YT's fault. :o
 
Youtube varies for me, it is fine most the time but every few weeks it may go slow for a couple of days then be OK again.
 
To be honest, even though I hate the idea of them implementing throttling, will it realy be as bad as it sounds? I mean, if I understand this correctly you will only be slowed down if 25% of the data transfer through your UBR (or wherever this shaping happens) is usenet or torrents (and whatever else happens to get hit by this shaping system). For me I download after midnight so that downloading doesn't effect anyone else in my house, and after midnight I don't think there will be enough downloaders to reach that 25% mark so my downloads should still all be finished before I wake up. Even if I did have to download at prime time, chances are the STM on my 20Mb connection will be more noticible than my download speed dropping a little.

For those of you on 50Mb I can see it being a bit more of an issue, as this means you will perhaps have to do what people on 20Mb and lower do and start planning your downloads outside of peak time if you want to get 100% download speed.
 
Dist said:
To be honest, even though I hate the idea of them implementing throttling, will it realy be as bad as it sounds? I mean, if I understand this correctly you will only be slowed down if 25% of the data transfer through your UBR (or wherever this shaping happens) is usenet or torrents (and whatever else happens to get hit by this shaping system). For me I download after midnight so that downloading doesn't effect anyone else in my house, and after midnight I don't think there will be enough downloaders to reach that 25% mark so my downloads should still all be finished before I wake up. Even if I did have to download at prime time, chances are the STM on my 20Mb connection will be more noticible than my download speed dropping a little.

For those of you on 50Mb I can see it being a bit more of an issue, as this means you will perhaps have to do what people on 20Mb and lower do and start planning your downloads outside of peak time if you want to get 100% download speed.
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Does it not shut off after midnight?
 
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