VISTA is on its way!!

TiZoR said:
i know that, but how would mircosoft know which machine is which or which upgrade is which?
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I suppose they could tell through the Windows Genuine Advantage checks when you install updates etc as the underlying ID that generates the new activations will show up as in use on more than one install of Vista (i.e. the route ID you used on your first install now has two or three further child IDs showing up as all active at the same time).

Of course you could then chose not to use any onf the MS update services and miss out on updates and the Ultimate Extras, but sooner or later someone will and in theory the additional activations could be automaticaly revoked should that install use a MS update service.

Better still people could just try being honest. A wacky concept I know but hey, it could catch on... :rolleyes:
 
lowrider007 said:
Well I just rang Microsofts UK office and they assured me that any version of Vista from the United States will work in the UK region fine but if you need product support then you have to get it from the states, you will not be eligible for support from Microsoft UK :) .

Looks like I'll be getting my Retail verion from over the pond :D .
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"Most goods imported from outside the European Union are chargeable with both Duty and VAT. This applies whether the goods are new, second hand, imported by a company or by a private person.


CLASSIFICATION OF GOODS

I suggest as a first step that you obtain a Tariff Classification for the goods.

The quickest way to do this is to phone the Southend Tariff Classification Help Line (01702 366077). They will need to know exactly the kind of goods you want to import before they can give you a classification.

You will then have to phone the National Advice Service (0845 010 9000) to obtain a Duty rate.

VALUATION OF GOODS

For a direct sale Duty is based on Cost plus Insurance plus Freight (CIF) i.e. the cost of the goods plus any charges payable to bring the goods to this country).

VAT is based on CIF plus Duty multiplied by 17.5%.

Both charges must be paid before the goods can be Custom cleared.

LICENSING REQUIREMENTS

Some goods may be subject to an Import Licence from the Department of Trade and Industry. If one is required, it has to be obtained before the goods are imported. The National Advice Service can advise you whether one is required when you know the correct Tariff Classification. The Department of Trade and Industries address is Import Licensing Branch, Queensway House, West Precinct, Billingham, TS23 2NF Tel 01642 364333.

CLEARANCE OF GOODS

There are three ways of obtaining Customs clearance.

1. Using an International carrier such as DHL or FEDEX who will deliver door to door and usually invoice you afterwards for the Duty and VAT plus a fee for their services. If you choose to use a carrier I suggest you ascertain their fees before any goods are imported.

2. Using a Shipping and Forwarding Agent. An agent should be used if goods are only shipped to the port. Agents are shown in Yellow Pages of most ports and airports under Shipping and Forwarding Agents. They are also available on the Internet under www.yell.com (http://www.yell.com/).

3. Imports by parcel post. If the goods are imported by post, the examining officer at the postal depot will raise the charges, which will be collected by the postman when the parcel is delivered. He will also collect a post office clearance fee at the same time. For postal importations the postage will be used as the freight for the purposes of charges. Public Notice 143 gives more information on postal imports."
 
Vertigo1 said:
You sure about that?

I always thought the primary purpose of the activation system introduced with XP was to prevent people casually giving/lending/copying their XP CD to friends to install on another computer. If MS are prepared to give away activation codes ad infinitum due to hardware changes, how do they differentiate upgrades from an install on a totally different machine?
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Just to clarify, both upgrade and retail editions are transferrable.

With the retail edition, you are granted the right to use one concurrent copy of Windows. This means you can install it on one machine, take it off that machine and then install it on another machine.

Therefore, you are granted infinate activations. However, MS can tell if you have it on more than one machine as the WGA program that sits on the machine will be able to tell if more then one PC is trying to authenicate a single product key multiple times, in which case they are totally withing the licence terms to disable both copies.

Burnsy
 
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tomanders91 said:
For oem, what hardware changes that will ask you for another license count? Will gfx card, ram and cpu count?
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The motherboard or case to which a COA is attached.

A huge majority of what you guys are asking is the same as XP, and is answered in the sticky.

Burnsy
 
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roakes said:
Gibbo - On http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/winvista_editions.asp it lists one of the differences between Home Premium and Ultimate as that "Windows Activation Services" is not included in Ultimate, does this mean it doesn't require activation after hardware changes or is it something else?
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Take everything that comes from Paul Thurrott with a pinch of salt, the guy is ill informed on many occasions and IMO an arse.

Burnsy
 
Caged said:
Windows Activation Services is part of IIS (from what Google told me).
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Indeed, I didn't read the article and this is probably why.

Windows Activation Services (WAS) is part of the .NET 3.0 stack in Vista and nothing to do with product activation.

Burnsy
 
burnsy2023 said:
Don't bet that you'll get the ultimate edition from MSDNAA, it'll most likely be business edition or enterprise.

Burnsy
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It's Business, it's been on there a while, but a lot of admins are complaining to MS because people wan't to be able to work with media centre and bit locker... it's not upgradeable.
 
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I'm a bit confused as I was told by a freind that Vista will come in two flavours of your needs. A 64 bit and a 32 bit.
He said, if I go and buy Ultimate, I will either need to buy the 64 bit or the 32 bit as they're programmed in a lightly different way due to the architecture.

However, on the OcUK website, it says "32 bit & 64 bit"

Can someone just clarify this for me?

Does this mean I can use either a 32 bit or 64 bit CPU with 32 bit or 64 bit apps? Or do I need to decide which one upon installation?

Thanks!
 
Ricochet J said:
I'm a bit confused as I was told by a freind that Vista will come in two flavours of your needs. A 64 bit and a 32 bit.
He said, if I go and buy Ultimate, I will either need to buy the 64 bit or the 32 bit as they're programmed in a lightly different way due to the architecture.

However, on the OcUK website, it says "32 bit & 64 bit"

Can someone just clarify this for me?

Does this mean I can use either a 32 bit or 64 bit CPU with 32 bit or 64 bit apps? Or do I need to decide which one upon installation?

Thanks!
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Hi

The RETAIL versions have one DVD for 32bit, another DVD for 64bit

thats how i see it

OEM versions come in either 32bit or 64bit
 
Ricochet J said:
I'm a bit confused as I was told by a freind that Vista will come in two flavours of your needs. A 64 bit and a 32 bit.
He said, if I go and buy Ultimate, I will either need to buy the 64 bit or the 32 bit as they're programmed in a lightly different way due to the architecture.
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Your friend is correct.

Ricochet J said:
However, on the OcUK website, it says "32 bit & 64 bit"

Can someone just clarify this for me?

Does this mean I can use either a 32 bit or 64 bit CPU with 32 bit or 64 bit apps? Or do I need to decide which one upon installation?

Thanks!
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The OEM editions are avalible in either 32 or 64 bit editions. You can only install they version you buy. The other editions are retail or upgrade and you can choose which edition on install.

Burnsy
 
seriously, how difficult is it to understand?

OEM: tied to one machine - unlimited activations on that machine. a machine which has had it's motherboard changed due to reasons other than replacement under warranty is considered a different machine and needs a new OEM license.

RETAIL: any one machine at a time - unlimited activations on any machine, as long as it's only on one machine at a time.

what you are licensed to do and what you can actually get away with might be different things, just because you can get away with something, doesn't make it right.

the bit i'm not totally sure about is upgrade licenses - but I would presume they depend on whether the license you're upgrading from is OEM or Retail.

is an XP OEM license eligible for upgrade to Vista?


also, to the guy who posted about duty and VAT etc. - it's often still cheaper to buy things from the USA and pay the import duty and VAT etc. I bought my bass guitar for a total of £800 including shipping and all the tax. I could have walked 5mins to a shop here and paid £1300 for it.
 
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Rebelius said:
OEM: tied to one machine - unlimited activations on that machine. a machine which has had it's motherboard changed due to reasons other than replacement under warranty is considered a different machine and needs a new OEM license.
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Does it only mind about motherboard swaps? Video card, installing on a different HDD, CPU swaps are okay?
 
Yes...

The wording was that the OEM edition could only be used one PC, it's not transferable to a new PC hence it's cheaper.

Obviously not everybody buys a new PC, they upgrade so there was some degree of confusion about what constituted the same PC. If you bought a Pentium 133 with 256mb RAM, 80GB hard drive, TNT graphics and then upgraded it to a X2 3800, 2gb, 8800GTX, 500GB HDD etc it's realy not the same machine anymore.

However it's hard to define at what point this is obviously a new PC without preventing enthusiasts from upgrading bits and pieces, there's always someone who would claim it uses the same floppy drive and is therefore the same PC. So MS took the decision that for the purpose of the OEM license the motherboard is considered the heart of the machine. If it is replaced under warranty because it failed then there's no problem. If you upgrade the CPU, HDD and memory, again, no problem. If you reformat your PC 3 times a week for a year, no problem. If you upgrade the motherboard it's considered to be a different machine.

To a certain degree it's an arbitory choice, but it has to be something and it's as close to defining the original PC that owns the license as anything else.
 
NathanE said:
:eek: I didn't spot that. That's a pretty damn big loop hole!
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I can confirm this is how etailers get around it:
oem.microsoft.com said:
OEM system builder software packs are intended for PC and server manufacturers or assemblers ONLY. They are not intended for distribution to end users. Unless the end user is actually assembling his/her own PC, in which case, that end user is considered a system builder as well.
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Which is quite worrying. How many people who have bought an OEM licence have also had a System Builder Licence Agreement included?

Burnsy
 
I have 'Windows Vista Business DVD' on my MSDN:AA account. Does anyone know for sure if Ultimate will be out? Because I'd obviously rather get that...
 
KingAdora said:
I have 'Windows Vista Business DVD' on my MSDN:AA account. Does anyone know for sure if Ultimate will be out? Because I'd obviously rather get that...
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I doubt you'll get the Ultimate edition.

Burnsy
 
Didn't think so really! I think Business is good enough. Don't need Media Center, no point in BitLocker....
That'll do me fine. Legal and free. Perfect!
 
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