Youtube being what it is knowing everything about me has just thrown up a range test of the new battery on the xc90, 35.8 miles despite running in 0-3 degrees, bodes well for the xc60 and my use case. Looks like it is running 275s too.
Volvo T6 or T8 Hybrids - Experience
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They still do a diesel that tows 2200 for the caravanners but we don't need the towing capacity any more so phev was fine.
They’re so old now, you’d be mad to buy a new one considering what they go for!
I was referring to the XC90. The XC60 is a much newer car.
What’s your budget?
Budget is a bit fluid it seems 
The original XC60 T6 I was looking at was 52 but a healthy bit of spec creep has me up to 58 on a T8 for more power and air suspension etc plus other stuff I probably don't need That's new prices though with 8-9 months lead time, used is not a lot different TBH but I can have it now.
I rather pay the lower figure but would go to 60 for the right car.
The original XC60 T6 I was looking at was 52 but a healthy bit of spec creep has me up to 58 on a T8 for more power and air suspension etc plus other stuff I probably don't need That's new prices though with 8-9 months lead time, used is not a lot different TBH but I can have it now.I rather pay the lower figure but would go to 60 for the right car.
Soldato
I've had an XC60 T8 R-Design now for a couple of years (MY20 I think it is. 390bhp) and I have an XC90 Recharge T8 on order (one with the 18kwh Battery and 455bhp) as we need 7 seats now with a 4th bubba coming.
In all honesty, I've loved the last couple of years with it. The drive and power for such a big car is hilarious! I went to this from an Audi A4 just for the extra space with 3 step kids.
Pros
Hearing a lot on the new MY22s as well that the new Google interface is AWFUL. a lot of people getting serious malfunctions and Volvo having to constantly update.
In all honesty, I've loved the last couple of years with it. The drive and power for such a big car is hilarious! I went to this from an Audi A4 just for the extra space with 3 step kids.
Pros
- Power is there in droves
- Looks good
- R Design Trim has plenty of half decent tech to keep most people happy
- Comfy seats
- 'Virtual Cockpit' is pretty good and has ability to put the map up in there
- Hybrid system is pretty good and the ICE isn't too intrusive.
- T8 automatically includes a Sunroof!!!
- Ability to charge at a certain time through the On Call app.
- Wifi hotspot capability with a Data sim.
- The ability to pre warm the car and seats, a god send in the cold weather!!!
- No reversing camera on the R Design
- Only a max of 7kw charging with no 'fast charge'
- Range can be limited due to a smaller battery but is getting better.
- Not permanent AWD unless you set it, otherwise if the ICE is on its FWD, if its electric its RWD.
- Stereo isn't the best
- No standard Apple Car play or Android auto, you have to pay on older models
- Can handle like a bit of a barn at times.
- 1st row in the middle seat isn't the comfiest with the battery tunnel sticking up
- No wireless charger.
Hearing a lot on the new MY22s as well that the new Google interface is AWFUL. a lot of people getting serious malfunctions and Volvo having to constantly update.
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Great bit of feedback, sounds good and like the Hybrid side is working out well for you also, specs have been refined a bit now for MY23 XC60 as they have cut down the models to 3 trims, possibly led by shortages or competition, if I go for the cheaper T6 PHEV in a Plus Dark it seems to come with most things, I've only had to option wheels, tinted windows, met paint, side steps and tow pack in my quote, I say only, that is pretty much all you can option
The lower spec does loose out over the T8 on a couple of things like the air suspension, Active LED lights, vented massage seats (option), leather trimmed dash and higher spec audio but thing the only things I really care about there are the suspension and lights the other things are just nice to have. realistically things like the extra power will never be used until I get behind the wheel and as mentioned its not a sports car so doubt its going to have the same appeal as hooning my track car about, amusingly both XC60s are faster than my MX5 track car in a straight line at least
actually might not be true with latest ITB build rocking 260bhp but the T8 would definately give it trouble.Low charging rate is probably the only real negative meaning it is really only home or destination based charging which is a shame but would work for our current use cases. Seems standard on PHEVs to disregard charging, only Merc bucking the trend with 55Kw DC charger on the C300e allowing for a quick pitstop charge up for another 60miles, perhaps I should wait for that drive train in a GLC.
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Did a test drive today in an xc60 T8 with 22" and air suspension, ride was really good, it was on the lower profile 265 tyre too, like the car generally, bit wobbly over very potted surfaces, its no sports car but a real nice level of refinement so I've popped an order in. At the moment though it is for the T6 on 20" which whilst sensible and all we need, it makes me a little sad so I am mulling over if I want the other stuff enough to switch it up to a T8 and 22s, there's plenty of time until the build.
Weirdly they won't let you spec the 22s on a T6 .... Booo....so I'll do something after market probably if I don't switch to T8.
so I am mulling over if I want the other stuff enough to switch it up to a T8 and 22s, there's plenty of time until the build.Weirdly they won't let you spec the 22s on a T6 .... Booo....so I'll do something after market probably if I don't switch to T8.
Soldato
22” will be a loads issue. Ie needs the extra sidewall of smaller wheels to manage the weight inputs.
it’s not only Merc doing decent DC charge rates on PHEVS
it’s not only Merc doing decent DC charge rates on PHEVS
22” will be a loads issue. Ie needs the extra sidewall of smaller wheels to manage the weight inputs.
it’s not only Merc doing decent DC charge rates on PHEVS
T8 is the heavier car seems to be an unreasonable product segmentation thing.
We also tried the XC40 recharge twin again to rule it in/out, it really doesn't feel as nice when you've come out of the XC60, it does feel like a step down.
Soldato
Can you get air suspension on the T6? If you can’t that might be why.
WLTP qualification for the bigger battery eu 60km tax qualification may preclude the T8 tyres -
are the designated tyres on phev's now following the $$$ ev tyres trend, with stronger blocks/reduced rolling resistance
even if, navigation seems fluid.
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... so efficeint sorento phev does have integrated motor/ice transmission, like c300e/x45e and the split elecric axle does look like a temporaryarchitecture solution.
does the obligatory (?) ICE warm up process, and regen from front axle get more efficient for integrated
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are the designated tyres on phev's now following the $$$ ev tyres trend, with stronger blocks/reduced rolling resistance
android automotive still seems to be in its infancy - no economy of scale for app developers to invest in the mundane activity of a usb music playing app, just stuff on git-hub.
even if, navigation seems fluid.
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... so efficeint sorento phev does have integrated motor/ice transmission, like c300e/x45e and the split elecric axle does look like a temporaryarchitecture solution.
does the obligatory (?) ICE warm up process, and regen from front axle get more efficient for integrated
)
Soldato
No idea what you said. Sorry
will probably be too late for sandys - good to see mazda are delivering on the 6 cyclinder NA engines they announced a few years back (taking the reins from bmw/merc)
with 18kwh phev cx-60/80. First-ever Mazda CX-60 with 6-cyl or PHEV = the Japanese BMW
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with 18kwh phev cx-60/80. First-ever Mazda CX-60 with 6-cyl or PHEV = the Japanese BMW
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... volvo electric rear axle phev's are currently a necessary architecture/efficiency compromise from the (seems) limited ~250bhp power that can be put through asin/merc/sorento hybrid transmissions, bmw x45e looks like the exception with their hybrid transmission.
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Soldato
Yep, same.
Nothing is too late for me, car is not scheduled to arrive until November, in that time if something better comes along I can drop it, but I do like most aspects of the XC60 inside and out whereas the CX-60 looks a little challenging to my eyes with only the front end working for me. I'm sure it would be a better drive than the Volvo, most cars are, the Volvo is a comfortable cruiser with a silly turn of pace but not in the least bit sporty which suits the missus, it's predominantly hers not mine, the 4cylinder is a let down though when it kicks in, couldn't persuade the missus on the X5 which is a shame.
I do like Mazda as a company, I like their approach to tech and engines, still developing NA engines and manuals, keeping things like the MX-5 lightweight etc, and not just larding the cars up and slapping a turbo on everything to compensate.
Weight is the problem with most cars at the moment, especially anything electrified like this, I'm interested to see if Mazda still have the weight focus when they do this PHEV but of course two powertrains is always going to have a penalty, my own cars don't top 1100kgs, I was test driving the baby BMW, the M2 comp to replace my car, revvy like an NA, manual, awesome, but what a bloody tank, 1650kgs!!! and it feels it, how does that happen, I have had lighter 7 seats SUVs.
Couple of range test with the latest battery/motor driven at 75mph popped up on this channel on a V90 and XC60 in slightly better conditions than the one posted above, run at approx 12C, not much range improvement, though I guess it could be argued the earlier one was driven slower at colder temps to hit same range.
At 75 the motor is doing approx 2.4 miles per kilowatt, not amazing efficiency but 36 miles on a charge @ 75mph isn't terrible, I'm assuming this is less efficient for the drivetrain than city driving so this should suit the missus quite well. This figure is some way off the quoted 3.2 mpkw.
Hopefully ours will arrive in the next 6 months and I will find out.
At 75 the motor is doing approx 2.4 miles per kilowatt, not amazing efficiency but 36 miles on a charge @ 75mph isn't terrible, I'm assuming this is less efficient for the drivetrain than city driving so this should suit the missus quite well. This figure is some way off the quoted 3.2 mpkw.
Hopefully ours will arrive in the next 6 months and I will find out.
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Well 6 months on still no motor from Volvo, in the meantime this CX-60 has become available in the UK and a dealer got in touch yesterday getting me behind the wheel of one today, it's a very good motor, drives well, has loads of benefits over the Volvo
more tow weight, faster charging, always awd regardless of mode, bigger boot, a functional infotainment, proper buttons everywhere, and all the stuff you expect and list price v list price a 12k saving (vs equiv t6, 20k vs my t8) .....it's almost a no brainer, lacked the ultimate refinement of the volvo and its motor/ev integration is not as seamless or as smooth but the Mazda seems like a cracker, looks good in the metal too.
I can be in one October 1st, a few weeks for a new motor, blimey!
In addition, the new GLC is about to drop also, that has a 60 mile battery range and dc charging, the longer Volvo take to serve me up a car the harder it gets to stick with the Volvo, what seemed like a good deal for my needs early 2022 is starting to look a little less competitive.
Lots to think about.
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Doesn't sound like there's much to think about. The CX 60 is well received, you can be in it within a few weeks and pocket 12k